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Subject: Re: setting hashtables for Fritz8, Shredder8 & Hiarcs9 in inf. analysis

Author: margolies,marc

Date: 20:48:32 04/29/04

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Hi!
in the chessbase gui, there is a distinct setting for hash for the engine and
hash for tablebase look-up. unless the user suffers from some kind of alloc
problem due to paging from high hash settings, please tell me--because i don't
understand this--why a high hash setting for the engine should have particular
bearing on engine performance in the end game.
Assuming that your suggestion rings true, I might guess this could be a problem
of harddrive responsiveness from too many tablebase look-ups in PVs, but I am
hoping that you have a clearer answer for me.
Thanks!-Marc

On April 29, 2004 at 23:07:21, William Penn wrote:

>On April 29, 2004 at 19:33:29, John Conte, Jr. wrote:
>
>>According to Chessbase.com, your suppose to hear clicking for a while.
>>I have a Compaq Presario AMD ATHLON XP PROCESSOR at 2.08GHz, with 80 GB HARD
>>DRIVE, and 512 MB SDRAM memory. What I do hear is a sound like a fan. I am
>>confused...please help. I realize the hash tables make a big difference in the
>>program operating at peak performance and also Chessbase.com states if you have
>>a greasy fast computer, never set the hash tables above  (I forget but it was 75
>>or 85MB. Thanks!
>>
>>jack
>
>Hash tables make a difference, but don't overestimate their importance. The
>tests I've run indicate they do NOT make a big difference - just an ordinary
>one.
>
>You don't have a greasy fast computer, but it's a good one. The advice you read
>about hash size sounds wrong for Infinite Analysis mode. It's OK to use 75-85MB
>hash for speed chess or ordinary games, but in general Infinite Analysis mode
>can use all of the hash possible. The more the better, usually.
>
>You can probably use up to about 384MB hash in Infinite Analysis mode if the
>GUI's maximum allows. If the op system is sluggish and you're running Windows
>XP, you can set the priority one notch lower via Task Manager for
>ChessProgram8.exe by rightclicking that process. That will improve the op system
>response and multitasking, and won't hurt engine speed significantly. However
>you shouldn't try to do much multitasking with this large proportion of hash
>(not much free RAM remaining) which could hang your system, or make it too slow
>to be useful.
>
>Or you can probably use 256MB hash with no problems, except possibly when the
>endgame approaches and if tablebase access becomes heavy with all 3-4-5 piece
>files. Then it may be necessary to reduce hash size somewhat to keep a
>reasonable engine speed.
>
>Let windows manage your pagefile size entirely. I've tried tweaking alternatives
>and now believe that's best.
>
>As for the sound, I suppose they're talking about the pagefile spinup delay for
>the allocated hash size. I'd forget about the clicking sound vs a fan noise
>advice. It doesn't sound useful. Instead, keep an eye on your hard drive
>activity light. It will be constantly active during the spinup, then subside.
>You may not get any significant spinup delays (or sound) with 256MB hash or
>less, but probably will with 384MB hash or more. It doesn't hurt anything in
>Infinite Analysis mode to maximize your hash size, so long as the spinup stops
>after awhile, sometimes taking several minutes. The engine speed will take off
>when the hash size has been fully allocated in the pagefile, and the hard drive
>activity light will subside.
>
>Good luck!
>WP



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