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Subject: Re: Diep and Falcon #2 and 3

Author: Arturo Ochoa

Date: 21:32:32 04/30/04

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On May 01, 2004 at 00:15:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 01, 2004 at 00:11:32, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>
>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:57:23, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:54:12, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:48:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:32:02, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:23:10, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 22:44:40, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Diep is now in the #3 programs
>>>>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362447
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And Falcon is a Grandmaster strength program about 2700 ELO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And assuming "Shredder 8 is the only engine that consistently scores above 50%
>>>>>>>>against Falcon in my tests"
>>>>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362348 we can therefore assume
>>>>>>>>it's #2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That leaves Shredder 8 at #1.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lucky both the #2 and #3 program are neither for sale or available else some may
>>>>>>>>even report they are #1 ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I would suggest to both programmers that they get a good team of beta testers
>>>>>>>>and start posting game scores and results that would be deemed realistic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You know, of course, that you have now entered a world known as "The Twilight
>>>>>>>Zone"?  Where fact is fiction, fiction is fact, truth is false, imagination is
>>>>>>>reality, all the other Rod Serling stuff...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mmmmm, your rol is very important here too: you must be the screenplay writer of
>>>>>>the production. How many actors will you include in your screenplay? When will
>>>>>>you return from your twilight zone?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't live in the twilight zone.  I don't claim to be in the top three unless
>>>>>we talk open hardware where I have a chance.  I don't claim to beat all
>>>>>commercial programs in private tests.  I don't claim to have the best eval, the
>>>>>best search, etc...
>>>>
>>>>Finally, I understand: you will simplify some scripts of the screenplay with
>>>>quick solutions. I thought that you had more imagination.
>>>
>>>That's where we differ.  This is _not_ about imagination.  It is about
>>>reality...  At least in my case, apparently not in some "others"...
>>>
>>
>>Not really. I prefer not to say on that topic. However, I would not dare to say
>>any similar declaration as all the thread below without facts. For o against,
>>all the thread is imprudent. I can only say that in ICT4, the Diep book was
>>decisive in three games but it failed in two games: Hydra and Nexus games. Of
>>course, those holes were already solved.
>
>
>That is but one reason why making such claims is stupid.  One bad book move can
>make a program look like an idiot.  One bug with repetitions can do the same.
>
>claims are for lame-brains.  They rarely hold true...

Well, as far as I can remember, I have not claimed anything. I only say that the
topic is not productive. I have just pointed out where the Diep book failed in
ICT4.



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