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Subject: Re: WAC #2

Author: Klaus Friedel

Date: 22:41:52 04/30/04

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On April 30, 2004 at 23:04:24, Andrew Wagner wrote:

>Here's the position:
>
>[d] 8/7p/5k2/5p2/p1p2P2/Pr1pPK2/1P1R3P/8 b - -
>
>The move to find here is Rxb2. My question is...what ply does your program find
>the solution on? To tactically work it out to see that you can force queening
>requires something like 13 or 14 ply. This is an interesting knowledge vs.
>search position...can you special-case this somehow to find it sooner? The
>problem is, as an FM friend of mine pointed out, if the king were just a bit
>closer, the sac is losing. E.g. In this position:
>
>[d] 8/7p/5k2/5p2/p1p2P2/Pr1p1K2/1P1R3P/8 b - - (white pawn missing on e3)
>...the sac would be losing because the king is close enough to stop the pawns.
>So my first inclination to somehow make the static eval see that the pawns were
>worth being down a pawn seems to be bad. Any thoughts?

Snitch finds it at ply 9

I hava a special eval term "rook vs 2 connected pawns with king far away"
to help in such positions.

Snitch0.3.57  WB2 35 MB:
 1   00:00  0,20   b3b2
 1   00:00  1,78   b3b2 d2b2 f6g6
 1   00:00  1,87   b3a3
 2   00:00  1,72   b3a3 e3e4
 2   00:00  1,78   b3b2 d2b2 f6g6
 3   00:00  1,96   b3b2 d2b2 c4c3
 4   00:00  1,66   b3b2 d2b2 c4c3 b2b7 f6g6
 5   00:00  1,66   b3b2 d2b2 c4c3 b2b6 f6g7 b6b7 g7g6
 5   00:00  1,78   f6f7 h2h3 b3b2 d2b2 c4c3
 6   00:00  0,53   f6f7 e3e4 f7e6 f3e3 b3b7 e4e5 e6d5
 6   00:00  1,15   b3b2 d2b2 c4c3 b2b6 f6g7 b6b7 g7g6 b7h7 g6h7
 6   00:00  1,49   c4c3 b2c3 b3c3 e3e4 c3a3 f3e3
 7   00:00  1,20   c4c3 b2c3 b3c3 e3e4 c3a3 e4e5 f6e6 f3e3
 7   00:00  1,30   f6g6
 8   00:01  0,51   f6g6 e3e4 b3b7 d2g2 g6f6 f3e3 f5e4 e3e4 b7e7 e4d4
 8   00:01  0,67   b3b5 e3e4 f5e4 f3e4 b5b7 e4d4 b7c7 d4e4 c7e7 e4d5
 8   00:01  0,80   b3b6 e3e4 f5e4 f3e4 b6e6 e4f3 h7h6 d2g2 e6e7 h2h4 f6f5
 8   00:01  0,82   b3b7 e3e4 f5e4 f3e4 b7e7 e4d4 e7e2
 9   00:01  0,95   b3b7 e3e4 f5e4 f3e4 b7e7 e4d4 e7e2 d2d1 e2c2 d1e1 c2e2
 9   00:01  1,02   b3b2
 9   00:02  1,86   b3b2 d2b2 c4c3 b2b6 f6e7 b6b7 e7d8 b7f7 c3c2 f7f5 c2c1q f5d5
d8e7 d5d3 e7e6
10   00:02  1,86   b3b2 d2b2 c4c3 b2b6 f6f7 b6b7 f7e6 b7b6 e6e7
11   00:02  1,86   b3b2 d2b2 c4c3 b2b6 f6f7 b6b7
12   00:04  2,06   b3b2
12   00:08  3,00   b3b2 d2b2 c4c3 b2b6 f6e7 b6b7 e7e6
13   00:14  3,20   b3b2
13   00:19  3,74   b3b2 d2b2 c4c3 b2b6 f6e7 f3f2 c3c2 b6c6 e7d7 f2e1 d7c6 e1d2
c6d5 h2h3 d5e4 h3h4 c2c1q d2c1 e4e3 c1b2 e3f4


Regards,
Klaus Friedel



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