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Subject: Re: Two Test Positions = Queen and Pawn Endings

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 00:01:05 05/01/04

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On April 30, 2004 at 23:45:06, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 30, 2004 at 20:34:33, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>
>>On April 30, 2004 at 17:21:34, José Antônio Fabiano Mendes wrote:
>>
>>> [D]7k/6p1/2P3Qp/p3q2P/8/6P1/5K2/8 w
>>> Bogoljubow vs Stahlberg, Kemeri 1933  1. Qc2!! Qxh5 2. Qc4!
>>
>>All test on an AMD 2800+@12*180Mhz
>>
>>and ? what's the point of 2. Qc4 ?
>>Shredder 8 doesn't see more than a draw , after 2...Qf5+
>
>Let it search deeper...

ok, let's go : I add 1 move again in the line so this analyse is after 1. Qc2
Qxh5 2. Qc4 Qf5+ 3. Ke3 (this last move is in the main line of Crafty).
Shredder see no win ; the more I dig, the more I found draw scores !
[D]7k/6p1/2P4p/p4q2/2Q5/4K1P1/8/8 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Shredder 8:
...
3...De5+ 4.Rf3 Df5+ 5.Df4 Dc8 6.Dh4
  ²  (0.40)   Profondeur: 11/29   00:00:03  673kN, tb=207
3...De5+ 4.Rf3 Df5+ 5.Rg2 Dc8 6.Dc5
  =  (0.13)   Profondeur: 11/34   00:00:08  2381kN, tb=524
3...Dh3 4.Rf4 Dc8 5.g4
  =  (0.12)   Profondeur: 11/34   00:00:08  2535kN, tb=633
3...Dh3 4.Rf4 h5 5.De2 g5+ 6.Rxg5 Dxg3+ 7.Rxh5 Dh3+ 8.Rg5 Rh7
  =  (0.11)   Profondeur: 11/34   00:00:09  2693kN, tb=956
3...Dh3 4.Rf4 h5 5.De2 Rh7 6.Dd3+ Rg8 7.Dd5+ Rh8 8.Dd8+ Rh7 9.Dh4 Df1+ 10.Re5
Db5+ 11.Rd6 Dd3+ 12.Re6 Dg6+ 13.Df6 gxf6
  ²  (0.33)   Profondeur: 12/32   00:00:13  3659kN, tb=2240
3...De5+ 4.Rf3 Df5+ 5.Df4 Dd3+ 6.Rg2
  ²  (0.32)   Profondeur: 12/33   00:00:13  3748kN, tb=2248
3...De5+ 4.Rf3 Df5+ 5.Rg2 Dc8 6.Dc5
  =  (0.13)   Profondeur: 12/33   00:00:14  3989kN, tb=2268
3...Dc8 4.c7 a4 5.Dc5 Rh7 6.De7 a3 7.De4+ Rh8 8.Dd5 Dxc7 9.Dg8+ Rxg8 10.Rf3 Da7
  =  (0.12)   Profondeur: 12/33   00:00:15  4136kN, tb=2325
3...Dc8 4.c7 a4 5.Dc5 Rh7 6.Dd6 Dg4 7.Df4 Dc8 8.Dd6 Dg4 9.Df4 Dc8 10.Dd6 Dg4
  =  (0.00)   Profondeur: 12/33   00:00:15  4344kN, tb=2386
3...Dc8 4.Rd2 Dc7 5.De6 Dxg3 6.Dc8+ Rh7 7.Df5+ Rh8 8.Df8+ Rh7 9.Df5+ Rh8 10.Df8+
Rh7 11.Df5+ Rh8
  =  (0.03)   Profondeur: 13/39   00:00:22  6098kN, tb=3126
3...Dc8 4.c7 a4 5.Rd3 Rh7 6.Rc3 Rg6 7.Dd3+ Rg5 8.Dd8+ Rg4 9.Dxc8+ Rxg3 10.Rc2
Rg2
  ²  (0.28)   Profondeur: 14/35   00:00:35  9277kN, tb=6540
3...Dc8 4.c7 a4 5.Rd3 a3 6.Rc3 Df8 7.c8D Rh7
  ±  (0.77)   Profondeur: 14/35   00:00:37  10103kN, tb=6788
3...De5+ 4.Rf3 Dc7 5.De6 Db8 6.Dxh6+ gxh6 7.c7 Dxc7 8.g4
  ±  (0.76)   Profondeur: 14/38   00:00:40  11334kN, tb=6826
3...De5+ 4.Rf3 Dc7 5.De6 Db8 6.Dxh6+ gxh6 7.c7 Dxc7 8.g4 a4 9.Re4
  ²  (0.41)   Profondeur: 14/38   00:00:41  11875kN, tb=6847
3...De5+ 4.Rf3 Df5+ 5.Rg2 Dc8 6.Dc5
  =  (0.13)   Profondeur: 14/40   00:01:05  21080kN, tb=10242
3...De5+ 4.Rf3 Df5+ 5.Rg2 Dc8 6.Dc5
  =  (0.13)   Profondeur: 15/40   00:01:35  27904kN, tb=16735
3...De5+ 4.Rd2 Dc7 5.Db5 Dd6+ 6.Rc2 Dxg3 7.Db7 Dg2+ 8.Rc3 Df3+ 9.Rd4 Df2+ 10.Rc4
g5 11.c7 Dh4+ 12.Rb5 Da4+ 13.Rxa4 Rg7
  =  (0.04)   Profondeur: 16/42   00:03:33  73073kN, tb=25339
3...De5+ 4.Rf3 Df5+ 5.Re2 De5+ 6.Rd1 Dxg3 7.c7 Dg1+ 8.Rc2 Dg2+ 9.Rb3 Db7+ 10.Ra4
g6
  =  (0.18)   Profondeur: 17/45   00:07:44  167069kN, tb=45833
3...De5+ 4.Rd2 Dc7 5.g4 g5 6.De6 Df4+ 7.Rd3 Df1+ 8.De2 Dh3+ 9.Rd2 Dg3 10.De8+
Rg7 11.Dd7+ Rf6 12.c7 a4 13.c8D De1+ 14.Rxe1 a3 15.Dcb7
  ²  (0.43)   Profondeur: 18/47   00:16:45  383501kN, tb=106476
3...De5+ 4.Rd2 Dc7 5.g4 Rh7 6.Rd1 g6 7.De6 Dg3 8.Dd7+ Rg8 9.c7 Db3+ 10.Re2 Dc4+
11.Rd2 Db4+ 12.Rd3 Db3+ 13.Re4 Dc4+ 14.Re3 Dc1+ 15.Rd4 Dd1+ 16.Rc5 Dxd7
  ²  (0.43)   Profondeur: 18/47   00:18:45  436966kN, tb=119970



>
>
>>
>>[d]7k/6p1/2P4p/p4q2/2Q5/6P1/5K2/8 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Shredder 8:
>>
>>1. = (0.06): 3.Re3 Dg5+ 4.Rf3 Df5+ 5.Rg2 Dc8 6.Dd3 Dxc6+ 7.De4 Dxe4+ 8.Rf2
>>2. = (0.06): 3.Re2 De5+ 4.Rf3 Dc7 5.Dc3 a4 6.Re3
>>3. = (0.05): 3.Re1 Dc8 4.c7 a4 5.Rd2 Rh7
>>
>>>
>>> [D]8/8/p7/2Q5/1P6/1P3qp1/3k4/6K1 b
>>> Grigoriev 1930  1...Kd1!
>>> The immediate transposition into a pawn ending leads only to a draw.
>>
>>winning : 1 sec ; -6 after 17 sec
>>
>>Analysis by Shredder 8:
>>...
>>1...Dxb3 2.Dd5+ Dxd5 3.b5 axb5
>>  -+  (-1.53)   Profondeur: 4/16   00:00:00
>>1...Dxb3 2.Rg2 Da3 3.Dd6+ Rc2
>>  -+  (-1.72)   Profondeur: 4/16   00:00:00
>>1...De2 2.Dd6+ Dd3 3.Dh6+ Rc3 4.Dc1+ Rxb3
>>  -+  (-1.74)   Profondeur: 4/16   00:00:00
>>1...De2 2.Dd6+ Dd3 3.Db8 Dxb3
>>  -+  (-2.09)   Profondeur: 4/16   00:00:00
>>1...De2 2.Dd4+ Rc2 3.Dc4+ Rd1 4.Dc3
>>  -+  (-2.14)   Profondeur: 4/16   00:00:00
>>1...De2 2.Dd4+ Rc2 3.Dc4+ Rd1 4.Dxe2+ Rc1 5.Dxa6
>>  -+  (-1.89)   Profondeur: 5/13   00:00:00
>>1...De2 2.Dd4+ Dd3 3.Db2+ Re1 4.De5+ Rd1 5.Da1+ Re2 6.Df1+ Re3 7.De1+ Rf3
>>  -+  (-1.66)   Profondeur: 5/17   00:00:00
>>1...Dxb3 2.Dc4 Dxc4 3.Rh1 Dxb4
>>  -+  (-1.67)   Profondeur: 5/19   00:00:01
>>1...Dxb3 2.Rg2 Da3 3.Dd6+ Rc2 4.Dg6+ Rc1 5.Dxg3 Dxb4
>>  -+  (-1.76)   Profondeur: 5/19   00:00:01
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd4+ Rc2 3.Df2+ gxf2+ 4.Rh2 f1D
>>  -+  (-1.77)   Profondeur: 5/19   00:00:01
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd4+ Rc2 3.Dc4+ Rb2 4.Dxa6 Df2+ 5.Rh1
>>  -+  (-1.90)   Profondeur: 5/19   00:00:01
>>1...De4 2.Dg5+ De3+ 3.Dxe3+ Rxe3 4.Rg2 Rf4 5.Rf1 Rf3 6.Rg1 Rg4
>>  -+  (-1.96)   Profondeur: 5/19   00:00:01
>>1...De4 2.Dd6+ Dd3 3.Dc6 Dd4+ 4.Rh1 Dh4+ 5.Rg1
>>  -+  (-2.27)   Profondeur: 5/19   00:00:01
>>1...De4 2.Dd6+ Dd3 3.Df6 De3+ 4.Rg2 De2+ 5.Rxg3 Dh2+ 6.Rxh2
>>  -+  (-2.02)   Profondeur: 6/12   00:00:01
>>1...De4 2.Dd6+ Dd3 3.Df6 Rc2 4.Dc6+ Rxb3 5.Dc5
>>  -+  (-1.84)   Profondeur: 6/12   00:00:01
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd6+ Rc2 3.Dxa6 Df2+ 4.Rh1
>>  -+  (-1.90)   Profondeur: 6/20   00:00:01
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd6+ Rc2 3.Dg6+ Rb2 4.Dg8
>>  -+  (-2.25)   Profondeur: 6/20   00:00:01
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd6+ Rc2 3.Dg6+ Rc3 4.Db6 Rb2 5.Dd4+ Rxb3 6.b5
>>  -+  (-2.28)   Profondeur: 6/20   00:00:01
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd6+ Rc2 3.Dg6+ Rb2 4.Db6 De2 5.Dc5 g2
>>  -+  (-2.26)   Profondeur: 7/21   00:00:01  46kN, tb=285
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd6+ Rc2 3.Db6 Rb2 4.Da7 Rxb3 5.Dxa6 Df2+ 6.Rh1 Rxb4
>>  -+  (-2.46)   Profondeur: 8/23   00:00:02  69kN, tb=329
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd6+ Rc2 3.Db6 Rxb3 4.De6+ Rb2 5.Db6 Rc2 6.Dg6+ Rc3 7.Db1
>>  -+  (-2.59)   Profondeur: 9/25   00:00:02  124kN, tb=413
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd6+ Rc2 3.Db6 Rxb3 4.De6+ Rc3 5.Dh3
>>  -+  (-2.84)   Profondeur: 10/25   00:00:02  172kN, tb=503
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd4+ Rc2 3.Db6 Rxb3 4.De6+ Rc3 5.De5+ Rc2 6.De1 Dd1 7.Dxd1+ Rxd1 8.Rf1
>>  -+  (-2.97)   Profondeur: 10/26   00:00:03  243kN, tb=514
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd4+ Rc2 3.Db6 Rb2 4.b5 axb5 5.b4 Rb3 6.De6+ Rxb4 7.Db6 Ra4
>>  -+  (-3.22)   Profondeur: 11/28   00:00:03  357kN, tb=630
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd6+ Rc1 3.Dc5+ Rb2 4.Df2+ gxf2+ 5.Rh2
>>  -+  (-3.72)   Profondeur: 11/28   00:00:03  369kN, tb=631
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd6+ Rc1 3.Dc5+ Rb2 4.Dd4+ Rxb3 5.b5 Df2+ 6.Dxf2 gxf2+ 7.Rh2
>>  -+  (-3.99)   Profondeur: 11/32   00:00:04  697kN, tb=634
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd6+ Rc2 3.b5 Df2+ 4.Rh1 axb5 5.Dg6+ Rb2 6.Dg7+ Ra2 7.Dh8 b4 8.Da8+
>>Rxb3 9.Da4+ Rc3 10.Da1+ Rb3 11.Db1+ Rc4 12.De4+ Rb5 13.Db7+ Rc5
>>  -+  (-4.24)   Profondeur: 12/33   00:00:05  1051kN, tb=810
>>1...Rd1 2.Dd6+ Rc2 3.b5 Df2+ 4.Rh1 axb5 5.Dc6+ Rb2 6.Dd5 g2+ 7.Rh2
>>  -+  (-4.74)   Profondeur: 12/33   00:00:05  1075kN, tb=830
>>1...Rd1 2.Da7 Rc2 3.Dh7+ Rc3 4.Dh3 Df2+ 5.Rh1 Dh2+ 6.Dxh2 Rxb3 7.Dxg3+ Ra2
>>  -+  (-4.74)   Profondeur: 12/35   00:00:08  2493kN, tb=1166
>>1...Rd1 2.Da7 Rc2 3.Dh7+ Rc3 4.Dh3 Df2+ 5.Rh1 Dh2+ 6.Dxh2 Rxb3 7.Dxg3+ Rxb4
>>  -+  (-4.49)   Profondeur: 13/36   00:00:10  3317kN, tb=1479
>>1...Rd1 2.Da7 Rc2 3.Dh7+ Rc3 4.Dh3 Df2+ 5.Rh1 Rxb3 6.De6+ Ra3 7.Dh3 Df3+ 8.Rg1
>>Rxb4 9.Dh4+ Df4 10.Dxf4+ Rc5
>>  -+  (-4.16)   Profondeur: 13/38   00:00:13  4361kN, tb=1634
>>1...Rd1 2.Da7 Rc2 3.Dh7+ Rc3 4.Dh3 Df2+ 5.Rh1 De1+ 6.Rg2 Rxb3 7.Rf3 Df2+ 8.Rg4
>>  -+  (-4.41)   Profondeur: 14/31   00:00:16  5192kN, tb=2387
>>1...Rd1 2.Da7 Rc2 3.Dh7+ Rc3 4.Dh3 Df2+ 5.Rh1 De1+ 6.Rg2 Rxb3 7.Dc8 Df2+ 8.Rh3
>>Dh2+ 9.Rg4 g2 10.Rf3 g1D 11.Dc4+ Rxc4
>>  -+  (-4.91)   Profondeur: 14/32   00:00:16  5234kN, tb=2458
>>1...Rd1 2.Da7 Rc2 3.Dh7+ Rb2 4.Dh3 Ra2 5.b5 axb5 6.b4 Df2+ 7.Rh1 g2+ 8.Dxg2
>>Dxg2+ 9.Rxg2 Ra3 10.Rg3 Rxb4 11.Rf4 Rc5 12.Re4
>>  -+  (-6.02)   Profondeur: 14/34   00:00:17  5817kN, tb=2762
>>1...Rd1 2.Da7 Rc2 3.Dh7+ Rb2 4.Dg7+ Rxb3 5.Dg8+ Ra3 6.b5
>>  -+  (-6.27)   Profondeur: 15/34   00:00:22  6654kN, tb=4212
>>1...Rd1 2.Da7 Rc2 3.Dh7+ Rb2 4.Dh8+ Rxb3 5.Dh3 Ra3 6.b5 Df2+ 7.Rh1 Dh2+ 8.Dxh2
>>g2+ 9.Rxg2 Rb4
>>  -+  (-6.27)   Profondeur: 15/37   00:00:34  11137kN, tb=4983
>>1...Rd1 2.Da7 Rc2 3.Dh7+ Rb2 4.Dh8+ Rxb3 5.Dd4
>>  -+  (-6.52)   Profondeur: 16/34   00:00:41  12586kN, tb=7987
>>1...Rd1 2.Da7 Rc2 3.Dh7+ Rb2 4.Dh8+ Rxb3 5.Dd4
>>  -+  (-7.02)   Profondeur: 16/34   00:00:41  12605kN, tb=8094



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