Author: Omid David Tabibi
Date: 04:21:59 05/01/04
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On May 01, 2004 at 05:21:08, Sune Fischer wrote: >On May 01, 2004 at 05:04:54, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On May 01, 2004 at 04:33:59, Sune Fischer wrote: >> >>>On May 01, 2004 at 00:58:02, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On April 30, 2004 at 22:44:40, Chessfun wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Diep is now in the #3 programs >>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362447 >>>>> >>>>>And Falcon is a Grandmaster strength program about 2700 ELO. >>>>> >>>>>And assuming "Shredder 8 is the only engine that consistently scores above 50% >>>>>against Falcon in my tests" >>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362348 we can therefore assume >>>>>it's #2 >>>>> >>>>>That leaves Shredder 8 at #1. >>>>> >>>>>Lucky both the #2 and #3 program are neither for sale or available else some may >>>>>even report they are #1 ;-) >>>>> >>>>>I would suggest to both programmers that they get a good team of beta testers >>>>>and start posting game scores and results that would be deemed realistic. >>>>> >>>>>Sarah. >>>> >>>>At least in the case of Falcon the programmer did not claim that it is one of >>>>the top 3 engines. >>>> >>>>He used the Fritz8's book for Falcon in his tests and he even did not claim that >>>>in these conditions Falcon is better than Fritz or Junior. >>>> >>>>Shredder 8 is the only engine that consistently scores above 50% does not mean >>>>that Deep Fritz8 or Junior8 cannot do it but only that they did not do it in all >>>>of his tests. >>> >>>"Consistently" is not a mathematical word :) >>> >>>So it depends how you read "winning consistently", it could mean just winning on >>>average, or it could mean it wins all the time ie. never losing or even drawing. >>> >>>I think the latter is too strong, ie. if you have the match results >>>60-40, 55-45, 89-11, 48-52, 61-39.... >>> >>>I'd still say one engine here is winning consistently, ie. it is who wins on >>>average that is the most obvious interpretation. >> >> >>see http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362354 >>winning consistently means that usually Shredder win a match of 4 games. > >Yes and the example also says that Falcon usually scores around 50% against >Fritz. > >>Of course it is not well defined and the question how you read usually but I >>will say that it means more than 50% of the matches. >> >>If Fritz wins 40% of the matchs of 4 games when Falcon wins 30% >>of these matchs then Fritz does not beat Falcon consistently inspite of the fact >>that it is slightly better by that definition > >Yeah this might have been what he meant, it didn't quite come off like that. >Omid also saw people that people were misunderstanding it, and he didn't do >anything to correct those that read it to being as strong as Fritz. People seem to be reading anything they want into anything posted. I originally posted that Shredder is the strongest engine, and look at all the nonsense people have started. Why disturb the fun? > >So once and for all, Omid, could you be more specific so we can lay this to >rest? I have already been specific as to what I meant: http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362354 I measure the imrovement of Falcon not with a series of long matches against a specific engine, but by conducting gauntlet matches against 15 programs, 4 matches with each (using equal hardware, one processor, equal books, etc). While Shredder 8 repeatedly scores more than 50% in the 4 games, Fritz and Junior sometimes end up with more than 2 points out of 4, and sometimes with less. But who cares what I meant, let's continue the fun here :) > >-S. >>Uri
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