Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 04:37:36 05/01/04
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On May 01, 2004 at 07:32:13, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On May 01, 2004 at 00:32:32, Arturo Ochoa wrote: > >>On May 01, 2004 at 00:15:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 01, 2004 at 00:11:32, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>> >>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:57:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:54:12, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:48:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:32:02, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:23:10, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 22:44:40, Chessfun wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Diep is now in the #3 programs >>>>>>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362447 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>And Falcon is a Grandmaster strength program about 2700 ELO. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>And assuming "Shredder 8 is the only engine that consistently scores above 50% >>>>>>>>>>against Falcon in my tests" >>>>>>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362348 we can therefore assume >>>>>>>>>>it's #2 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>That leaves Shredder 8 at #1. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Lucky both the #2 and #3 program are neither for sale or available else some may >>>>>>>>>>even report they are #1 ;-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I would suggest to both programmers that they get a good team of beta testers >>>>>>>>>>and start posting game scores and results that would be deemed realistic. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sarah. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>You know, of course, that you have now entered a world known as "The Twilight >>>>>>>>>Zone"? Where fact is fiction, fiction is fact, truth is false, imagination is >>>>>>>>>reality, all the other Rod Serling stuff... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Mmmmm, your rol is very important here too: you must be the screenplay writer of >>>>>>>>the production. How many actors will you include in your screenplay? When will >>>>>>>>you return from your twilight zone? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't live in the twilight zone. I don't claim to be in the top three unless >>>>>>>we talk open hardware where I have a chance. I don't claim to beat all >>>>>>>commercial programs in private tests. I don't claim to have the best eval, the >>>>>>>best search, etc... >>>>>> >>>>>>Finally, I understand: you will simplify some scripts of the screenplay with >>>>>>quick solutions. I thought that you had more imagination. >>>>> >>>>>That's where we differ. This is _not_ about imagination. It is about >>>>>reality... At least in my case, apparently not in some "others"... >>>>> >>>> >>>>Not really. I prefer not to say on that topic. However, I would not dare to say >>>>any similar declaration as all the thread below without facts. For o against, >>>>all the thread is imprudent. I can only say that in ICT4, the Diep book was >>>>decisive in three games but it failed in two games: Hydra and Nexus games. Of >>>>course, those holes were already solved. >>> >>> >>>That is but one reason why making such claims is stupid. One bad book move can >>>make a program look like an idiot. One bug with repetitions can do the same. >>> >>>claims are for lame-brains. They rarely hold true... >> >>Well, as far as I can remember, I have not claimed anything. I only say that the >>topic is not productive. I have just pointed out where the Diep book failed in >>ICT4. > > >If you haven't claimed anything then why did you tell Bob that he might be the >script writer of the whole screenplay [for what - the Twilight Zone??]?? Wasn't >that a claim or better an attack just because Bob had expressed the obvious, >namely that the alleged data about DIEP and FALCON were belonging in the >Twilight Zone? - Tell me for what reason you wrote that at all? Only to publish >that you fixed some holes in the DIEP book? What had all that to do with the >basic absurdity of such claims for example that FALCON now plays like a GM with >2700? You know that that is wrong, don't you? MMmmmmm...... Well, lets create another long thread about the absurd topic.... How do you want the thread: absurd, silly or not serious? I have some freetime to waste here.
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