Author: martin fierz
Date: 07:15:01 05/01/04
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On April 30, 2004 at 12:53:15, William Penn wrote: >On April 29, 2004 at 11:26:51, martin fierz wrote: > >>On April 27, 2004 at 08:58:03, William Penn wrote: >> >>>On April 26, 2004 at 04:23:09, Angelo Ciavarella wrote: >>> >>>>An article dated Feb.19,2004 at >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/correspondence_chess, states that computers are no >>>>match for the strongest CC players if left to play a complete game.The current >>>>champion has not lost a single game playing white in 40 years!! >>>>Angelo >>> >>>My personal crude estimate is that the top chess programs can only manage an Elo >>>rating of about 2450 on the ICCF scale, if allowed about 4 hours to calculate >>>each move on a 2GHz processor. To put it another way, players rated above 2450 >>>ICCF are probably using some human brain power. Please don't confuse the name of >>>the processor with the ratings; the similarity is purely coincidental... :) >>>WP >> >>i don't believe a word of this. i have an ICCF rating of 2378 which i achieved >>by playing a few games in switzerland around '99 or 2000. the games were of very >>poor quality, as i used to come home late, turn on my old computer at that time, >>start chessbase with fritz4 or so, and quickly hack away my moves within a >>minute or so. >>i'd say most of my OTB games are better than these correspondence games, at >>least as far as strategy goes - of course there are no horrible blunders in the >>correspondence games. >>i think the computers are doing quite well against nickel up to now, they will >>get more than a 2450 rating out of those games... >> >>cheers >> martin > >Ratings are relative... :) > >I don't know the exact dates of Fritz versions, but your Fritz 4 in 1999 was >probably one of the better available softwares at that time. So a 2378 rating >for a few games sounds OK. Now, both you and opponents will be using stronger >software, but the ratings are still relative. If you could have used a current >program such as Fritz 8 back in 1999, perhaps you could have achieved over 2450 >rating. Now, I doubt it, because your opponents have Fritz 8 too. However >there's nothing magic about the 2450 number, which is just my best educated >guesstimate. >WP remember i popped out those moves in a minute or two in the evening, sometimes playing my own moves, sometimes the fritz suggestion. a serious computerized CC player would be using hours for every move... cheers martin
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