Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:58:38 05/02/04
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On May 02, 2004 at 15:05:08, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>>>>It's the world championship. It has a 30-year pedigree. Sure, it's not as >>>>>scientifically valid as the SSDF list. Nonetheless, it is the most important >>>>>computer chess event on the planet, bar none. >>>>> >>>>>Dave >>>> >>>> >>>>Sorry, but this is wrong. Last time there were 16 participants. Last CCT had >>>>over 50. I'll take the over 50... >>> >>>You're ignoring the quality of the participants. >>> >>>Dave >> >>Let's see. CCT had junior. New hiarcs. Crafty on a monster machine. >>Ruffian. I'd take the top 8 from the last CCT and compare them against >>the top 8 of the last WCCC.... Quality was very high at CCT6 too... > >If you're only going to look at the top eight, then the "50" doesn't mean much, >does it? Actually it does. You mentioned quality. Quality is at the top. Quantity is where the top and bottom are farther apart. The bottom of the WCCC was no better than the bottom of the CCT, but CCT had a +lot+ more players between the top and bottom. I think it is a tougher competition without the too-many-rounds-for-the-number-of-players-blues seen at the WCCC... > Most of those 50 have rather little against the top engines. >(Nonetheless, I think it's great that the strength variety in that tournament is >wide enough that everyone has a chance to win at least a couple of games. It >sounds like a fun event, and if I had a chess program, I'd probably play it in >CCT too.) > >As you correctly point out, the top of the field at CCT-6 was reasonably strong. > However, the top of the field at WCCC '03 was stronger -- and the top of the >field at WCCC '04 will be stronger again. > >WCCC '03 top finishers: 9.5/11 Shredder, Fritz, 9/11 Junior, 8.5/11 Brutus, 6/11 >Green Light, Diep. Top of CCT6 had hiarcs, Junior, crafty (quad opteron), zappa, to name just 4 that are very tough. I suspect if you have a tournament with those 8 programs, _anything_ could happen. Either group, any program, could have won.... > >CCT-6 top finishers: 7/9 Crafty, Hiarcs, Zappa, 6.5/9 Junior, Ruffian, King of >Kings. > >Also, IIRC, Junior at CCT-6 != Junior at WCCC: at CCT they weren't able to use >their normal opening book due to the automated restriction (some proprietary >data format incompatibility issue). > >It'd be nice to see Crafty at the WCCC. Is there some chance of getting someone >who will be attending to operate it? > A few years ago they changed the rules to make that impossible. They then chose to not enforce the rule later, but when you think about it, who really cares nowadays. CCT had almost 4x the players. From a wider international group of participants. I think it will do just fine... >Dave
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