Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:54:52 05/02/04
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On May 02, 2004 at 17:29:44, Dave Gomboc wrote: >On May 02, 2004 at 15:58:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 02, 2004 at 15:05:08, Dave Gomboc wrote: >> >>>>>>>It's the world championship. It has a 30-year pedigree. Sure, it's not as >>>>>>>scientifically valid as the SSDF list. Nonetheless, it is the most important >>>>>>>computer chess event on the planet, bar none. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Sorry, but this is wrong. Last time there were 16 participants. Last CCT had >>>>>>over 50. I'll take the over 50... >>>>> >>>>>You're ignoring the quality of the participants. >>>>> >>>>>Dave >>>> >>>>Let's see. CCT had junior. New hiarcs. Crafty on a monster machine. >>>>Ruffian. I'd take the top 8 from the last CCT and compare them against >>>>the top 8 of the last WCCC.... Quality was very high at CCT6 too... >>> >>>If you're only going to look at the top eight, then the "50" doesn't mean much, >>>does it? >> >>Actually it does. You mentioned quality. Quality is at the top. Quantity is >>where the top and bottom are farther apart. >> >>The bottom of the WCCC was no better than the bottom of the CCT > >There are enough games at the WCCC that everyone with a chance in hell gets to >play at least three of the top four programs. Consequently. there's less >variability in the results at the top. Same thing was true at CCT. Nobody slipped into the top without playing everyone up there. Anything beyond 6 rounds makes that unlikely... I also think the average strength of >WCCC was considerably higher than that of CCT-6. Besides, quantity doesn't mean >much when you're trying to select a champion. I didn't notuce the WCCC being "selective". They took what they could get, which wasn't many.. > >>, but CCT had a >>+lot+ more players between the top and bottom. I think it is a tougher >>competition without the too-many-rounds-for-the-number-of-players-blues seen at >>the WCCC... > >Again, I disagree. The tournament with Shredder and Fritz in it is tougher (to >win), period. > I thinnk Hiarcs, Junior, the King, etc are _just_ as tough... >>> Most of those 50 have rather little against the top engines. >>>(Nonetheless, I think it's great that the strength variety in that tournament is >>>wide enough that everyone has a chance to win at least a couple of games. It >>>sounds like a fun event, and if I had a chess program, I'd probably play it in >>>CCT too.) >>> >>>As you correctly point out, the top of the field at CCT-6 was reasonably strong. >>> However, the top of the field at WCCC '03 was stronger -- and the top of the >>>field at WCCC '04 will be stronger again. >> >>>WCCC '03 top finishers: 9.5/11 Shredder, Fritz, 9/11 Junior, 8.5/11 Brutus, 6/11 >>>Green Light, Diep. >> >>Top of CCT6 had hiarcs, Junior, crafty (quad opteron), zappa, to name just 4 >>that are very tough. I suspect if you have a tournament with those 8 programs, >>_anything_ could happen. Either group, any program, could have won.... > >Keep reading... > >>>CCT-6 top finishers: 7/9 Crafty, Hiarcs, Zappa, 6.5/9 Junior, Ruffian, King of >>>Kings. > >I did include those in my message. ;-) > > >>>Also, IIRC, Junior at CCT-6 != Junior at WCCC: at CCT they weren't able to use >>>their normal opening book due to the automated restriction (some proprietary >>>data format incompatibility issue). >>> >>>It'd be nice to see Crafty at the WCCC. Is there some chance of getting >>>someone who will be attending to operate it? >> >>A few years ago they changed the rules to make that impossible. > >:-( Well, I still don't understand why it's impossible to get a week away from >classes. Most professors here just find substitute lecturers. Mind you, I see >from UAB's CS home page that the department is not all that large, which could >make it harder to find subs. First, look at the event. It is not "a week". It takes 2 weeks. Not doable. As far as subs, make that Impossible for the most part... > >>They then >>chose to not enforce the rule later, but when you think about it, who really >>cares nowadays. CCT had almost 4x the players. From a wider international >>group of participants. I think it will do just fine... > >Whatever floats your boat. :-( > >Dave It isn't what "floats my boat". It is "what will sink the ECCA boat." They are making the bad decisions...
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