Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:20:13 05/03/04
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On May 03, 2004 at 14:22:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On May 02, 2004 at 17:29:44, Dave Gomboc wrote: > >I'm sure the organisation can find an operator if Hyatt wants to join. > >Israel is full of chessplayers who are good operators. > >But i predict crafty will not end in the top 10, even when just 12 participants >might be there. Were I to show up with the 8-way opteron I tested on, I can assure you that no matter where I finish up, it would be _above_ where you finish up... Of course you could demonstrate your superiority by coming over and winning a CCT sometime. Or you can continue to demonstrate only that your mouth works... > >>On May 02, 2004 at 15:58:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 02, 2004 at 15:05:08, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>It's the world championship. It has a 30-year pedigree. Sure, it's not as >>>>>>>>scientifically valid as the SSDF list. Nonetheless, it is the most important >>>>>>>>computer chess event on the planet, bar none. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sorry, but this is wrong. Last time there were 16 participants. Last CCT had >>>>>>>over 50. I'll take the over 50... >>>>>> >>>>>>You're ignoring the quality of the participants. >>>>>> >>>>>>Dave >>>>> >>>>>Let's see. CCT had junior. New hiarcs. Crafty on a monster machine. >>>>>Ruffian. I'd take the top 8 from the last CCT and compare them against >>>>>the top 8 of the last WCCC.... Quality was very high at CCT6 too... >>>> >>>>If you're only going to look at the top eight, then the "50" doesn't mean much, >>>>does it? >>> >>>Actually it does. You mentioned quality. Quality is at the top. Quantity is >>>where the top and bottom are farther apart. >>> >>>The bottom of the WCCC was no better than the bottom of the CCT >> >>There are enough games at the WCCC that everyone with a chance in hell gets to >>play at least three of the top four programs. Consequently. there's less >>variability in the results at the top. I also think the average strength of >>WCCC was considerably higher than that of CCT-6. Besides, quantity doesn't mean >>much when you're trying to select a champion. >> >>>, but CCT had a >>>+lot+ more players between the top and bottom. I think it is a tougher >>>competition without the too-many-rounds-for-the-number-of-players-blues seen at >>>the WCCC... >> >>Again, I disagree. The tournament with Shredder and Fritz in it is tougher (to >>win), period. >> >>>> Most of those 50 have rather little against the top engines. >>>>(Nonetheless, I think it's great that the strength variety in that tournament is >>>>wide enough that everyone has a chance to win at least a couple of games. It >>>>sounds like a fun event, and if I had a chess program, I'd probably play it in >>>>CCT too.) >>>> >>>>As you correctly point out, the top of the field at CCT-6 was reasonably strong. >>>> However, the top of the field at WCCC '03 was stronger -- and the top of the >>>>field at WCCC '04 will be stronger again. >>> >>>>WCCC '03 top finishers: 9.5/11 Shredder, Fritz, 9/11 Junior, 8.5/11 Brutus, 6/11 >>>>Green Light, Diep. >>> >>>Top of CCT6 had hiarcs, Junior, crafty (quad opteron), zappa, to name just 4 >>>that are very tough. I suspect if you have a tournament with those 8 programs, >>>_anything_ could happen. Either group, any program, could have won.... >> >>Keep reading... >> >>>>CCT-6 top finishers: 7/9 Crafty, Hiarcs, Zappa, 6.5/9 Junior, Ruffian, King of >>>>Kings. >> >>I did include those in my message. ;-) >> >> >>>>Also, IIRC, Junior at CCT-6 != Junior at WCCC: at CCT they weren't able to use >>>>their normal opening book due to the automated restriction (some proprietary >>>>data format incompatibility issue). >>>> >>>>It'd be nice to see Crafty at the WCCC. Is there some chance of getting >>>>someone who will be attending to operate it? >>> >>>A few years ago they changed the rules to make that impossible. >> >>:-( Well, I still don't understand why it's impossible to get a week away from >>classes. Most professors here just find substitute lecturers. Mind you, I see >>from UAB's CS home page that the department is not all that large, which could >>make it harder to find subs. >> >>>They then >>>chose to not enforce the rule later, but when you think about it, who really >>>cares nowadays. CCT had almost 4x the players. From a wider international >>>group of participants. I think it will do just fine... >> >>Whatever floats your boat. :-( >> >>Dave
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