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Subject: Re: Diep and Falcon #2 and 3

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 12:27:35 05/03/04

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On May 03, 2004 at 13:50:51, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On May 01, 2004 at 18:36:17, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On April 30, 2004 at 22:44:40, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Diep is now in the #3 programs
>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362447
>>>
>>>And Falcon is a Grandmaster strength program about 2700 ELO.
>>>
>>>And assuming "Shredder 8 is the only engine that consistently scores above 50%
>>>against Falcon in my tests"
>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362348 we can therefore assume
>>>it's #2
>>>
>>>That leaves Shredder 8 at #1.
>>>
>>>Lucky both the #2 and #3 program are neither for sale or available else some may
>>>even report they are #1 ;-)
>>>
>>>I would suggest to both programmers that they get a good team of beta testers
>>>and start posting game scores and results that would be deemed realistic.
>>>
>>>Sarah.
>>
>>Indeed.
>>
>>The top three programs are Shredder, Fritz, and Junior.  If someone wants to
>>dispute that, they can do it at WCCC '04.
>
>WCCC contests name a champion.  But they most definitely do not demonstrate
>strength ordering of programs.  Only the first and last places have any
>certainty (due to the swiss format) and the uncertainty level with the tiny
>number of games played is so high that any of the top 5 could easily be the best
>program.  In order to produce accurate intermediate place ordering data, you
>must do a round robin format.
>
>That having been said, Shredder is clearly head ans shoulders above all the rest
>right now.

WCCC is much closer to round-robin than CCT!

Dave



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