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Subject: Re: Let's talk about fraud.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:44:21 05/04/04

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On May 04, 2004 at 10:49:42, martin fierz wrote:

>On May 04, 2004 at 07:32:01, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On May 04, 2004 at 07:11:15, martin fierz wrote:
>>
>>>On May 03, 2004 at 22:50:58, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you recall, I _have_ given some error estimates in the past.   Remember the
>>>>wildly varying speedup numbers I showed you the first time this issue came up?
>>>
>>>i recall that you gave wildly varying speedup numbers, and an explanation for
>>>why this happens. i  don't recall a real error estimate, but that can be either
>>>because
>>>-> you gave one and i didn't see it
>>>-> you gave one, i saw it and forgot
>>>-> you didn't give one at all
>>>
>>>so... what kind of numbers would you give if you were pressed?
>>
>>
>>Isn't it impolite to imply the third option if Bob JUST said that he did give
>>some?
>
>no - asking questions always has to be allowed among scientists. forbidding to
>ask questions is the hallmark of religious fanatics and fascists... but i
>digress :-)
>bob says he gave numbers, which he did. but IIRC, he never gave an error
>estimate. so i am allowed to ask for it, and it is not at all impolite to do so.
>what he did show is the speedup in about 30 different positions, which could
>vary wildly depending on the position.
>
>i don't know why you think you have to stand up and defend bob every time
>somebody says something about him you don't like. just leave that up to him. he
>can take it :-)
>
>cheers
>  martin


I wasn't offended.  I hope my answer was ok.

This is not an easy question to deal with.

IE if you take the standard deviation of a set of random numbers between
0 and N what do you get?  That is what the speedup numbers look like for some
positions.  For others the speedup is a near-perfect constant value.  Add some
perfect constants plus some randomly distributed values and exactly what does
the SD show?  :)




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