Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 13:56:31 05/05/04
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On May 03, 2004 at 15:22:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 03, 2004 at 14:30:26, Matthew Hull wrote: > >>On May 03, 2004 at 14:22:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On May 02, 2004 at 17:29:44, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>> >>>I'm sure the organisation can find an operator if Hyatt wants to join. >>> >>>Israel is full of chessplayers who are good operators. >>> >>>But i predict crafty will not end in the top 10, even when just 12 participants >>>might be there. >> >> >>OK. Show up on ICC for a match DIEP-crafty. If you beat crafty, then maybe you >>finish in the top 10 at ECCC. >> > >won't happen. The power of the mouth far exceeds the power of the program. > >public results would contradict verbal promises. Then there would be no fun... I am missing any element of "what happens if i succeed". Can we play for money online at icc? You show up with crafty and choose your own hardware me diep : chosing my hardware conditions : level like 90 30, but i'll agree with 90 0 too. kibitzin : programs must kibitz openings book : your own; commercial books from kure + noomen + necchi not allowed. If you are interested we can appoint a date and setup a match. 10 games is fine. date : somewhere in june or august to test my WCCC version Playing for a dollar or 1000 would be motivating. Let me know whether we can organize a match diep-crafty under such conditions. Best regards, Vincent > >> >> >>> >>>>On May 02, 2004 at 15:58:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 02, 2004 at 15:05:08, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It's the world championship. It has a 30-year pedigree. Sure, it's not as >>>>>>>>>>scientifically valid as the SSDF list. Nonetheless, it is the most important >>>>>>>>>>computer chess event on the planet, bar none. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Dave >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Sorry, but this is wrong. Last time there were 16 participants. Last CCT had >>>>>>>>>over 50. I'll take the over 50... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You're ignoring the quality of the participants. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Let's see. CCT had junior. New hiarcs. Crafty on a monster machine. >>>>>>>Ruffian. I'd take the top 8 from the last CCT and compare them against >>>>>>>the top 8 of the last WCCC.... Quality was very high at CCT6 too... >>>>>> >>>>>>If you're only going to look at the top eight, then the "50" doesn't mean much, >>>>>>does it? >>>>> >>>>>Actually it does. You mentioned quality. Quality is at the top. Quantity is >>>>>where the top and bottom are farther apart. >>>>> >>>>>The bottom of the WCCC was no better than the bottom of the CCT >>>> >>>>There are enough games at the WCCC that everyone with a chance in hell gets to >>>>play at least three of the top four programs. Consequently. there's less >>>>variability in the results at the top. I also think the average strength of >>>>WCCC was considerably higher than that of CCT-6. Besides, quantity doesn't mean >>>>much when you're trying to select a champion. >>>> >>>>>, but CCT had a >>>>>+lot+ more players between the top and bottom. I think it is a tougher >>>>>competition without the too-many-rounds-for-the-number-of-players-blues seen at >>>>>the WCCC... >>>> >>>>Again, I disagree. The tournament with Shredder and Fritz in it is tougher (to >>>>win), period. >>>> >>>>>> Most of those 50 have rather little against the top engines. >>>>>>(Nonetheless, I think it's great that the strength variety in that tournament is >>>>>>wide enough that everyone has a chance to win at least a couple of games. It >>>>>>sounds like a fun event, and if I had a chess program, I'd probably play it in >>>>>>CCT too.) >>>>>> >>>>>>As you correctly point out, the top of the field at CCT-6 was reasonably strong. >>>>>> However, the top of the field at WCCC '03 was stronger -- and the top of the >>>>>>field at WCCC '04 will be stronger again. >>>>> >>>>>>WCCC '03 top finishers: 9.5/11 Shredder, Fritz, 9/11 Junior, 8.5/11 Brutus, 6/11 >>>>>>Green Light, Diep. >>>>> >>>>>Top of CCT6 had hiarcs, Junior, crafty (quad opteron), zappa, to name just 4 >>>>>that are very tough. I suspect if you have a tournament with those 8 programs, >>>>>_anything_ could happen. Either group, any program, could have won.... >>>> >>>>Keep reading... >>>> >>>>>>CCT-6 top finishers: 7/9 Crafty, Hiarcs, Zappa, 6.5/9 Junior, Ruffian, King of >>>>>>Kings. >>>> >>>>I did include those in my message. ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Also, IIRC, Junior at CCT-6 != Junior at WCCC: at CCT they weren't able to use >>>>>>their normal opening book due to the automated restriction (some proprietary >>>>>>data format incompatibility issue). >>>>>> >>>>>>It'd be nice to see Crafty at the WCCC. Is there some chance of getting >>>>>>someone who will be attending to operate it? >>>>> >>>>>A few years ago they changed the rules to make that impossible. >>>> >>>>:-( Well, I still don't understand why it's impossible to get a week away from >>>>classes. Most professors here just find substitute lecturers. Mind you, I see >>>>from UAB's CS home page that the department is not all that large, which could >>>>make it harder to find subs. >>>> >>>>>They then >>>>>chose to not enforce the rule later, but when you think about it, who really >>>>>cares nowadays. CCT had almost 4x the players. From a wider international >>>>>group of participants. I think it will do just fine... >>>> >>>>Whatever floats your boat. :-( >>>> >>>>Dave
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