Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:10:57 05/05/04
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On May 05, 2004 at 16:56:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On May 03, 2004 at 15:22:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 03, 2004 at 14:30:26, Matthew Hull wrote: >> >>>On May 03, 2004 at 14:22:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On May 02, 2004 at 17:29:44, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>>> >>>>I'm sure the organisation can find an operator if Hyatt wants to join. >>>> >>>>Israel is full of chessplayers who are good operators. >>>> >>>>But i predict crafty will not end in the top 10, even when just 12 participants >>>>might be there. >>> >>> >>>OK. Show up on ICC for a match DIEP-crafty. If you beat crafty, then maybe you >>>finish in the top 10 at ECCC. >>> >> >>won't happen. The power of the mouth far exceeds the power of the program. >> >>public results would contradict verbal promises. Then there would be no fun... > >I am missing any element of "what happens if i succeed". Apparently. What would happen is that you would no longer look like a total idiot when talking about how strong your program is and how bad everything I do is... It would give you a _bit_ of credibility. As would your citing the reference to the JICCA paper I supposedly wrote but which _nobody_ can find a reference to, a copy of, or a mention of _anywhere_. > >Can we play for money online at icc? > >You show up with crafty and choose your own hardware >me diep : chosing my hardware > >conditions : level like 90 30, but i'll agree with 90 0 too. >kibitzin : programs must kibitz >openings book : your own; commercial books from kure + noomen + necchi not >allowed. > >If you are interested we can appoint a date and setup a match. > >10 games is fine. >date : somewhere in june or august to test my WCCC version > >Playing for a dollar or 1000 would be motivating. > >Let me know whether we can organize a match diep-crafty under such conditions. > >Best regards, >Vincent Let me know when you get past sucking your thumb and grow up a bit... Crafty is _always_ available to play. No thumb-sucking or other nonsense required. If you want to see it on faster hardware than my dual that can be arranged... > >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>>On May 02, 2004 at 15:58:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 02, 2004 at 15:05:08, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>It's the world championship. It has a 30-year pedigree. Sure, it's not as >>>>>>>>>>>scientifically valid as the SSDF list. Nonetheless, it is the most important >>>>>>>>>>>computer chess event on the planet, bar none. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Dave >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sorry, but this is wrong. Last time there were 16 participants. Last CCT had >>>>>>>>>>over 50. I'll take the over 50... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>You're ignoring the quality of the participants. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Dave >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Let's see. CCT had junior. New hiarcs. Crafty on a monster machine. >>>>>>>>Ruffian. I'd take the top 8 from the last CCT and compare them against >>>>>>>>the top 8 of the last WCCC.... Quality was very high at CCT6 too... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If you're only going to look at the top eight, then the "50" doesn't mean much, >>>>>>>does it? >>>>>> >>>>>>Actually it does. You mentioned quality. Quality is at the top. Quantity is >>>>>>where the top and bottom are farther apart. >>>>>> >>>>>>The bottom of the WCCC was no better than the bottom of the CCT >>>>> >>>>>There are enough games at the WCCC that everyone with a chance in hell gets to >>>>>play at least three of the top four programs. Consequently. there's less >>>>>variability in the results at the top. I also think the average strength of >>>>>WCCC was considerably higher than that of CCT-6. Besides, quantity doesn't mean >>>>>much when you're trying to select a champion. >>>>> >>>>>>, but CCT had a >>>>>>+lot+ more players between the top and bottom. I think it is a tougher >>>>>>competition without the too-many-rounds-for-the-number-of-players-blues seen at >>>>>>the WCCC... >>>>> >>>>>Again, I disagree. The tournament with Shredder and Fritz in it is tougher (to >>>>>win), period. >>>>> >>>>>>> Most of those 50 have rather little against the top engines. >>>>>>>(Nonetheless, I think it's great that the strength variety in that tournament is >>>>>>>wide enough that everyone has a chance to win at least a couple of games. It >>>>>>>sounds like a fun event, and if I had a chess program, I'd probably play it in >>>>>>>CCT too.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As you correctly point out, the top of the field at CCT-6 was reasonably strong. >>>>>>> However, the top of the field at WCCC '03 was stronger -- and the top of the >>>>>>>field at WCCC '04 will be stronger again. >>>>>> >>>>>>>WCCC '03 top finishers: 9.5/11 Shredder, Fritz, 9/11 Junior, 8.5/11 Brutus, 6/11 >>>>>>>Green Light, Diep. >>>>>> >>>>>>Top of CCT6 had hiarcs, Junior, crafty (quad opteron), zappa, to name just 4 >>>>>>that are very tough. I suspect if you have a tournament with those 8 programs, >>>>>>_anything_ could happen. Either group, any program, could have won.... >>>>> >>>>>Keep reading... >>>>> >>>>>>>CCT-6 top finishers: 7/9 Crafty, Hiarcs, Zappa, 6.5/9 Junior, Ruffian, King of >>>>>>>Kings. >>>>> >>>>>I did include those in my message. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Also, IIRC, Junior at CCT-6 != Junior at WCCC: at CCT they weren't able to use >>>>>>>their normal opening book due to the automated restriction (some proprietary >>>>>>>data format incompatibility issue). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It'd be nice to see Crafty at the WCCC. Is there some chance of getting >>>>>>>someone who will be attending to operate it? >>>>>> >>>>>>A few years ago they changed the rules to make that impossible. >>>>> >>>>>:-( Well, I still don't understand why it's impossible to get a week away from >>>>>classes. Most professors here just find substitute lecturers. Mind you, I see >>>>>from UAB's CS home page that the department is not all that large, which could >>>>>make it harder to find subs. >>>>> >>>>>>They then >>>>>>chose to not enforce the rule later, but when you think about it, who really >>>>>>cares nowadays. CCT had almost 4x the players. From a wider international >>>>>>group of participants. I think it will do just fine... >>>>> >>>>>Whatever floats your boat. :-( >>>>> >>>>>Dave
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