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Subject: Re: For mate experts - how many moves?

Author: Dan Ellwein

Date: 16:04:46 05/05/04

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On May 05, 2004 at 11:14:09, John Merlino wrote:

>On May 05, 2004 at 01:21:08, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On May 05, 2004 at 01:20:31, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On May 05, 2004 at 00:52:06, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>
>>>>[D]3qk3/8/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQ -

Hi John

It takes CM_OffSet on a P3/850 1 hour 40 minutes to find a mate in 15...

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	24.69	873		1.Nc3 Kf8 2.e3
0:00	1/3	24.69	873		1.Nc3 Kf8 2.e3
0:00	1/4	25.14	2234		1.Nc3 Kd7 2.e3 Kc8 3.Nf3
0:00	1/5	25.19	6916		1.Nc3 Qb6 2.Nf3 Qc6 3.e3
0:00	1/6	25.54	16501		1.Nc3 Kd7 2.e3 Kc8 3.Qg4+ Kb8 4.Nf3
0:00	1/6	25.55	18629		1.Nf3 Kd7 2.Nc3 Kc8 3.e3 Kb8 4.Bc4
0:00	1/7	25.45	45264		1.Nf3 Qd6 2.Nc3 Qe7 3.d3 Qb7 4.e4
					Qb6
0:01	1/7	25.51	76972		1.e3 Qg5 2.Nc3 Kd8 3.Nf3 Qg6 4.Nd4
					Kc8
0:02	1/8	26.31	223459		1.e3 Qg5 2.Nc3 Kd8 3.Qf3 Qh6 4.Qd5+
					Kc8 5.Qa8+ Kd7 6.Bb5+ Ke7
0:05	1/9	26.50	420313		1.e3 Qg5 2.Nc3 Ke7 3.Qf3 Qa5 4.Nd5+
					Kd7 5.Qf7+ Kc6 6.Bc4 Kc5
0:13	1/10	26.79	1196472		1.e3 Qg5 2.Nc3 Ke7 3.Qf3 Qc5 4.Qf6+
					Kxf6 5.Ne4+ Ke6 6.Nxc5+ Kd5 7.d4
0:42	1/11	27.34	4168313		1.e3 Qg5 2.Nc3 Kd8 3.Qf3 Qc5 4.Qd5+
					Qxd5 5.Nxd5 Kd7 6.Nf3 Kd6 7.Bc4
1:03	1/12	27.55	6712918		1.e3 Qg5 2.Nc3 Kd8 3.Qf3 Ke7 4.Bc4
					Qe5 5.Qb7+ Kd8 6.Qd5+ Qxd5 7.Bxd5
					Ke7 8.Nf3
7:38	2/13	29.65	60065216	1.e3 Kd7 2.Qh5 Kc7 3.a4 Kb8 4.Ra3
					Qb6 5.Rb3 Qxb3 6.cxb3 Kb7 7.Bc4
					Kb8 8.Nc3
15:18	3/14	31.29	121298646	1.e3 Kd7 2.Qh5 Kc7 3.Nc3 Kb8 4.Qb5+
					Ka7 5.Qc6 Kb8 6.Ba6 Qc7 7.Qe6 Qc5
					8.Nb5 Qxb5 9.Qc8+ Ka7 10.Bxb5
40:59	4/15	33.48	328198630	1.e3 Kd7 2.Qh5 Kc7 3.Qa5+ Kd7 4.Bb5+
					Ke7 5.Qa7+ Kf8 6.b3 Qe7 7.Qb8+
					Kf7 8.Bc4+ Kf6 9.Bb2+ Kg6 10.Qg8+
					Kh6 11.Bd3 Qxe3+ 12.dxe3
1:40:14	4/15	Mate15	848520661	1.e4 Qg5 2.d4 Qg6 3.Qf3 Kd7 4.Bb5+
					Ke7 5.Nc3 Qf7 6.Nd5+ Kf8 7.Bh6+
					Kg8 8.Nf6+ Kh8 9.Bf8 Qxf8 10.Qh3+
					Kg7 11.Qh7+ Kxf6 12.e5+ Kg5 13.Nh3+
					Kg4 14.Qg6+ Kh4 15.Qg5#
Dan

>>>>
>>>>Mate solver Chest takes hours to finalize 10 moves so I switch to playing
>>>>engines. Shredder 8 announces mate with d4 after 15 minutes, but it's useless
>>>>when number of moves is not displayed :-) Some engines agree, that best line
>>>>is e4 Qg5 d4 Qg6 and mate in 14. Is this the best? What thinks Chessmaster?
>>>>
>>>>Jouni
>>>
>>>Not sure...yet. After forcing 1.e4 Qg5, it takes CM_SKR 1:22 to announce a Mate
>>>in 12.
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>1:22	1/12	Mate12	23507783	2.d4 Qg6 3.Qf3 Kd7 4.Nc3 Qe6 5.Bb5+
>>>					Kc7 6.Qf8 Kb7 7.Bf4 Qc8 8.Qe7+
>>>					Kb6 9.Nd5+ Kxb5 10.Qb4+ Kc6 11.Qb6+
>>>					Kd7 12.Qd6+ Ke8 13.Qe7#
>>>1:30	2/13	Mate12	26233063	2.d4 Qg6 3.Qf3 Ke7 4.Nc3 Qf7 5.Bg5+
>>>					Kf8 6.Bh6+ Ke7 7.Nd5+ Qxd5 8.exd5
>>>					Kd6 9.Qf6+ Kd7 10.Qc6+ Ke7 11.Qc7+
>>>					Kf6 12.Qg7+ Kf5 13.Bd3#
>>>
>>>However, from the initial position, after more than 10 minutes there was still
>>>no mate found, and 1.e3? Kd7? was considered best. I'll let it run overnight....
>>
>>Clarification -- this is on a P4-2.4....
>>
>>jm
>
>CM_SKR on an AMD 2500+ finally got down to Mate in 12 from the initial position
>after 1:27:08.
>
>jm



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