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Subject: Re: "3.1 comes from running a large number of positions several years ba

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:37:00 05/07/04

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On May 07, 2004 at 02:58:46, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On May 06, 2004 at 16:12:33, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>
>>Gian-Carlo,
>>
>>sorry, but what is your point with such chaotical, none deterministic systems?
>>If i imagine the chaotical effects even with one processor after some minor
>>code/data changes and different processor architectures. If i imagine how
>>chaotical multiprocessor systems are, where memory and cache coherency are big
>>issues.
>>
>>Did you exactly the same test with crafty on the same system as Bob?
>
>Quad Xeon 550Mhz for me and a Quad Xeon 700Mhz for Bob, same Crafty
>version.
>
>I take offense to Bob claiming he 'disproved' something when his
>test didn't come close to that. Maybe Martins did, that's fine, but
>certainly not these 4 positions that Bob ran.
>
>--
>GCP


Grow up and read.

What I "disproved" with 4 positions was Vincent's statement that "I had _never_
tested null vs non-null for speedup."  That was data I had laying around from a
quick test when he first claimed it made a _big_ difference.

I later ran the entire CB test set with and without as you well know.

Why it is important to distort the facts is way beyond me...

Martin's test has _nothing_ to do with Vincent's original null-move claim, BTW.
It does show that the speedup approximation I have been quoting is within
reason, which is all I have been saying.  You and Vincent are hung up on a
single number.  You get 2.8 so 3.0 or 3.1 is "dead wrong" to use Vincent's
words, even though there is enough variability to choke a mule.

In any case, _I_ understand the issue and it doesn't cause me any grief.  I
don't have to get the same number each time myself...



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