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Subject: Re: "3.1 comes from running a large number of positions several years ba

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:52:53 05/07/04

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On May 07, 2004 at 04:30:09, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On May 06, 2004 at 12:45:43, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>Bob let's get realistic.
>
>BK is a flawed testset to test parallel speedups at.

No it isn't.  In fact it is a reasonable one because so many others have used it
and it provides a common ground for comparing speedup.


>
>What happened is. You took 4 positions from that to 'proof' your 3.1.

No I didn't.  I ran them _all_.  (The CB positions).  When you first broached
the subject that null is much worse than non-null, I did a quick 4 position run
and found no significant difference.  You then said "Bob never even ran the
test" and I quickly supplied the short log file to show otherwise.  You didn't
like that test set and said "run the DTS (CB) positions"  It will show that
Crafty only gets a speedup of 1.1 on a dual.  I ran them and got a normal
speedup and there the argument went...

I don't use 4 positions to prove any point other than you were wrong (as usual)
when you said I had not even _tested_ the null vs non-null hypothesis...



>
>That gets disproven then by GCP doing statistical math where you know really
>less than a waterbird from. You do not even realize what the +- behind every
>measured speedup means. In fact you never provide them yourself.

No I don't.  But I _have_ given lots of data that _shows_ the variability.


>
>GCP then is doing different tests at your quads and very clearly determines 2.8
>using a-symmetric king safety.
>


There goes your ignorance again.  "clearly determines 2.8" is simply wrong.  It
varies each and every time the test is run.  I gave Martin 4 four-processor
runs.  Each speedup was different.  Yet you continue with the "2.8 is the right
and only right number."  Talk about "pig-headed"...

All of the positions I ran were in normal game mode.  All the asymmetry was on.
Everything was just like it is when playing in a real game...

So please grow up and stop the "clearly determines 2.8".  My log that I sent you
"clearly determined 3.0 and 3.1".




>My 1.0 out of 2 speedup for crafty came of course from using tests with
>symmetric king safety.

And I (nor anyone else) has reproduced that.  I run in analysis mode all the
time.  Give me a position or N positions.  I'll do the same test.  Your 1.0 was
just garbage...


>
>But GCP using 30 positions gets down to 2.8 speedup.
>
>And he gets one time 3.2 and another time 3.0 for speedup when searching
>fullwidth.
>
>a) this shows how poor your way of representing things is. You are just showing
>things like you want them to see

Are you talking about me or about you?  I post real data.  You _never_ posted
any data showing your 1.0 speedup.  You never post any data of any kind.  Just
tons of garbage.  I _do_ provide real data...


>
>b) i do not believe a crap you did a honest test where at position 21 in BK the
>crafty on average gets a 2.4 speedup when searching fullwidth. No matter how i
>test fullwidth at position 21, speedups are better there for fullwidth using
>asymmetric king safety.

That makes us even.  I don't believe a thing you say either.

Fortunately, I provide data to support what I say.

You provide hand-waving...


>
>You did not do a honest testing to get to your numbers, even in those 4
>positions and yet you deny GCP's testing at 30 positions which were honestly
>done, to be true.



I didn't deny GCP's testing.  I'll challenge you again, just as I did about the
JICCA article you keep forgetting to cite.  Show me the post where I _ever_ said
his testing on my quad was invalid.  I simply said the results are variable.
Martin found a variance of +/- .2 on the first 24 DTS positions in the logs I
made available.  Somehow you can't seem to grasp the fact that there _is_ real
variability...  But that is _your_ problem, not mine...





>
>This shows your true nature.
>

I hope it does.  Of course it also shows _yours_.

Where is the JICCA article?

Where is the quote where I said my speedup formula works beyond 8 processors?

All lies.

All Fraud.

All done by _you_.

And you talk about "my true nature"???

Try a mirror on occasion...







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