Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:30:30 05/07/04
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On May 07, 2004 at 05:39:05, enrico carrisco wrote: >On May 06, 2004 at 22:08:39, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 06, 2004 at 12:38:50, José Carlos wrote: >> >>>On May 06, 2004 at 12:26:24, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On May 05, 2004 at 23:04:20, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 05, 2004 at 21:31:44, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Let me make a contract real soon. You'll have it before sunday. >>>>>> >>>>>>I doubt though we'll ever see a signature of you there. >>>>> >>>>>I don't see the need to involve money. The programs aren't going to be >>>>>motivated to play better because money is on the line! Why not just play a set >>>>>of games on ICC? >>>>> >>>>>Dave >>>> >>>>Who cares for playing without interests at stake. last saturday i was kicked >>>>badly by a bunch of GM's (me FM diepeveen, not diep) 7 GM's and 10 IM's. >>>> >>>>players i remembered that i played: Fridman, Smeets, Popovich, Nijboer, Miesis, >>>>and some world top 40 russian whose name i can't speak out very well. 2655 or >>>>something. And a lot of others too. See www.utrechtschaak.nl for results. >>>> >>>>So i can at least say that me as a moderated player played against world top >>>>players and very good blitz players. >>>> >>>>First price 1000 euro, second and third 500 euro etc. >>>> >>>>If i win with DIEP i'll have a world title or a tournament victory. >>>> >>>>A program that used to end #5 in world and is bigtime improved now and which >>>>profits from fast pc hardware and is continuesly getting improved. >>>> >>>>This you want to see play against some program where in eval and search (not >>>>counting parallel search where nalimov seems to have done some effort) the last >>>>few years a few bytes per so many months change and which never impressed in >>>>world champs either, losing in fact in 2000 in the 100% same way like in >>>>Jakarta. >>>> >>>>No one cares if i beat crafty. >>>> >>>>I definitely do not find it worth my effort to do a public match without that i >>>>get compensated for my time. >>>> >>>>Look Bob never will say: "this match proofs something". >>>> >>>>No he will say: "look i beated you online at bullet level in 1997". >>>> >>>>That's the whole point. >>>> >>>>What do i proof beating crafty? >>>> >>>>Well i proof that i'm better than number 30 from the world or so. >>>> >>>>But we already knew that. >>> >>> When you say "we" do you mean "me and my program"? ;) >>> Just curious, no offense intended, but I can't really think of anyone else >>>apart from you both who "know that". >>> Play Crafty right now. Otherwise the world will see you as the one who hides >>>behind bets just to avoid losing. >>> >>> José C. >>> >>> >>> José C. >> >> >>He doesn't only "hide behind bets". He just hides, period. >> >>He's been busted on the mythical JICCA article he can't find that he claimed I >>wrote. >> >>He's been busted on the "your speedup formula is wrong"... >> >>He's been busted on his "you claimed your formula worked for any number of CPUs >>when my claims have _always_ been limited to what I have tested on, as Rolf's >>quote shows. >> >>In short, he's simply been busted. Pick your adjective. I'm having a tough >>time between "liar" and "fraud" myself... >> >>After getting busted, we see the "switch the subject to a chess match" idea >>repeated again and again. I'll play the fraud anytime he wants. Whether I win >>or lose is not _that_ big a deal to me. At least _I_ seem to be continuing to >>have fun doing this computer chess stuff... >> >>Vincent seems to be miserable doing this stuff. All he seems to do is disparage >>what others have done rather than doing anything credible himself... > >That being said and assuming the match took place, how would you know you are >playing DIEP? The program is not freely available to analyze moves played, etc. > Seems like a lose-lost situation. > >-elc. That would be yet another issue, I agree.
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