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Subject: Re: "3.1 comes from running a large number of positions several years ba

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 16:41:21 05/07/04

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On May 07, 2004 at 13:19:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 07, 2004 at 12:11:29, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
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>>On May 07, 2004 at 11:37:00, Robert Hyatt wrote:
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>>>I later ran the entire CB test set with and without as you well know.
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>>I'll repeat, I don't have any logs from you from that (lying around), and I got
>>no reply to my request to (re)send them. The only big test I have from you
>>is the Opteron one that was just recently posted.
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>Not my problem.  The log was sent to you and Vincent at the _same_ time.  Then
>you ran the same test on a quad 550 and produced _another_ log...

you tested 4 positions to disproof everything.

normally you reply within a minute to anything here. just testing those 4
positions took you more than 24 hours however, in the meantime you did 50 other
posts around the internet.

when someone else than you tests crafty, we never can repeat the speedups you
claim. your proof is usually based upon running a position or 4.

those take you days to create then.

how many times do you rerun tests?

5 times?

100 times?

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>>>You and Vincent are hung up on a
>>>single number.  You get 2.8 so 3.0 or 3.1 is "dead wrong" to use Vincent's
>>>words, even though there is enough variability to choke a mule.
>>>
>>>In any case, _I_ understand the issue and it doesn't cause me any grief.  I
>>>don't have to get the same number each time myself...
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>>Excuse me, but *who exactly* used proper statistics to illustrate how variable
>>the results *were* or *were not*?
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>I didn't use "statistics".  I used raw observed data and posted the numbers here
>many times.  Ditto in the DTS paper.  Position by position, speedup by
>speedup...

>But you and vincent keep up with the "2.8 is the number".   It is't.  It is
>certainly "around 2.8."  It is closer to 3.1 as I have said...

all persons who run tests at quads and just calculated the speedup from that,
they always get other speedup results than you post here.

Should they run it 5 times and pick for each position the most positive results
out of it?

I am simply not trusting you to proof any speedup number. Speedup numbers posted
from you in articles assume a certain speedup and extend upon that.

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