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Subject: Re: more brilliant?

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 11:43:26 05/08/04

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On May 08, 2004 at 14:17:00, John Merlino wrote:

>On May 08, 2004 at 14:00:39, Will Singleton wrote:
>
>>On May 08, 2004 at 13:38:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 08, 2004 at 13:25:03, Will Singleton wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 08, 2004 at 13:14:04, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 08, 2004 at 11:54:58, Rob Basham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>[D]2r2rk1/p1q1bpp1/1p6/n2R4/8/P4N2/1B2QPPP/5RK1 w - - 0 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>White plays....Bxg7...!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any programs find this neat move?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>this is taken from the 24 brilliant moves file....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanks
>>>>>>Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     My beloved Aristarch 4.41 can't find the winning move
>>>>>     within reasonable time.
>>>>>     Kurt
>>>>>
>>>>>Aristarch 4.41  UCI1: (P4 1.8/32 MB hash)
>>>>> 2-  00:00 -0.42   Bxg7 Kxg7
>>>>> 2   00:00 -1.03   Bxg7 Kxg7
>>>>> 2+  00:00 -1.02   h4 Bxa3
>>>>> 2+  00:00 -0.82   h4 Bxa3
>>>>> 2   00:00  0.24   h4 Rfd8
>>>>> 2+  00:00  0.25   h3 Rfd8
>>>>> 2   00:00  0.32   h3 Rfd8
>>>>> 2+  00:00  0.33   Qd3 Rfd8
>>>>> 2   00:00  0.34   Qd3 Rfd8
>>>>> 2+  00:00  0.35   Re1 Qc4
>>>>> 2+  00:00  0.55   Re1 Qc4
>>>>> 2   00:00  0.64   Re1 Rfd8
>>>>> 2+  00:00  0.65   Rfd1 Rfd8
>>>>> 2   00:00  0.69   Rfd1 Rfd8
>>>>> 2+  00:00  0.70   Rc1 Rfd8
>>>>> 2   00:00  0.75   Rc1 Nc4
>>>>> 3   00:00  0.82   Rc1 Nc4 a4
>>>>> 3+  00:00  0.83   Rfd1 Rfd8 Ng5
>>>>> 3   00:00  0.92   Rfd1 Nc4 Rd7
>>>>> 3+  00:00  0.93   Re1 Rfd8 Rxd8+ Rxd8 Qxe7
>>>>> 3   00:00  1.03   Re1 Rfe8 Qe4
>>>>> 4-  00:00  0.61   Re1 Rfe8 Qe4 Bxa3
>>>>> 4   00:00  0.52   Re1 Rfe8 Qe3 Nc4
>>>>> 4+  00:00  0.53   Rfd1 Nc4 Rd7 Nxa3
>>>>> 4+  00:00  0.73   Rfd1 Nc4 Rd7 Nxa3
>>>>> 4   00:00  0.79   Rfd1 Rfd8 Qe4 Nc4
>>>>> 4+  00:00  0.80   Rc1 Nc4 Nd2 Nxb2
>>>>> 4   00:00  0.80   Rc1 Bc5 Qe4 Rfe8
>>>>> 5   00:00  0.81   Rc1 Nc4 Ne5 Qb7 Rd7
>>>>> 6   00:00  0.67   Rc1 Bc5 Qe4 Nb3 Re1 Rfd8
>>>>> 6+  00:00  0.68   Qe4 Nc4 Rc1 Rfd8 Rxd8+ Bxd8 Qe8+ Kh7 Qf8 Bf6
>>>>> 6   00:00  0.87   Qe4 Qc2 Qxe7 Nc6 Qg5 Qxb2
>>>>> 7   00:00  0.78   Qe4 Qc4 Qf5 Qb3 Rb1 Rcd8 Rb5
>>>>> 7+  00:00  0.79   Rc1 Bc5 Qe4 Nb3 Re1 Rfd8 Qf5
>>>>> 7   00:01  0.88   Rc1 Qb7 Rcd1 Rfe8 Rd7 Bd6 Ne5 Rxe5
>>>>> 8   00:01  0.78   Rc1 Qxc1+ Bxc1 Rxc1+ Ne1 Bxa3 Qe4 Rc4 Qe3 Bc5
>>>>> 9   00:03  0.77   Rc1 Qxc1+ Bxc1 Rxc1+ Ne1 Bxa3 Qe4 Nc4 Rh5 Rd8 Qh7+ Kf8 Qe4
>>>>> 9+  00:04  0.78   Qe4 Qc2 Qxe7 Nc6 Qd6 Qxb2 Rd2 Rfd8 Qxd8+ Nxd8
>>>>> 9   00:05  0.93   Qe4 Qc4 Rd4 Qc2 Qxe7 Nc6 Qe4 Qxb2 Rd6
>>>>> 9+  00:08  0.94   Nd2 Rfd8 Qg4 g6 Rxd8+ Qxd8 Ne4 Rc2 Rd1 Rxb2 Rxd8+ Bxd8
>>>>> 9   00:09  0.99   Nd2 Bd6 Qg4 Bxh2+ Kh1 f5 Rxf5 Rxf5 Qxf5 Nc4 Nxc4 Qxc4
>>>>>10   00:15  1.34   Nd2 Bd6 Ne4 Bxh2+ Kh1 Qc2 Rd2 Qc7 Bxg7 Nc4 Qg4 Nxd2
>>>>>11   00:33  1.28   Nd2 Rfd8 Qg4 g6 Qh3 f6 Qe6+ Kf8 Bxf6 Rxd5
>>>>>11+  00:40  1.29   Bxg7 Kxg7 Ne5 Qb7 Qg4+ Kh8 Qh5+
>>>>>11+  00:42  1.49   Bxg7 Kxg7 Ne5 Qb7 Qg4+ Kh8 Qh5+
>>>>>11   00:47  1.66   Bxg7 Kxg7 Ne5 Rfd8
>>>>>12   01:00  1.27   Bxg7 Kxg7 Ne5 Rfd8
>>>>>12+  01:13  1.28   Nd2 Nc6 Qg4 Bf6 Bxf6 Rfe8
>>>>>12   01:30  1.31   Nd2 Nc4 Nxc4
>>>>>13   02:59  1.45   Nd2 Rcd8
>>>>>14   09:03  1.18   Nd2 Rcd8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Likely because Bxg7 isn't winning?  I don't see it.
>>>>
>>>>1. Bxg7 Kxg7 2. Ne5 Rfd8 3. Qg4+ Kf8 4. Qf5 f6 5. Nd7+ Rxd7 6. Rxd7 Qe5 7. Qh3
>>>>Rc7 *
>>>
>>>
>>>I let Crafty burn a while and it doesn't like Bg7 particularly either.  It
>>>thinks the score after Bg7 is about the same as the score for other moves by
>>>white.  I noticed in the PV after Bxg7 that it saw this as two pieces for a rook
>>>and pawn, which it will not like much, ever, unless it finds something
>>>tactically farther down the line:
>>>
>>>               11->  23.98   0.65   1. ... Kxg7 2. Ne5 Rfd8 3. Qg4+ Kf8
>>>                                    4. Nd7+ Rxd7 5. Rxd7 Qc3 6. Rxa7 Bxa3
>>>                                    7. Qd7 Qc4
>>>               12     1:15   0.62   1. ... Kxg7 2. Ne5 Rfd8 3. Qg4+ Kf8
>>>                                    4. Nd7+ Rxd7 5. Rxd7 Qc4 6. Qh3 Qh4
>>>                                    7. Qf5 Qf6 8. Qd3
>>>               12->   1:19   0.62   1. ... Kxg7 2. Ne5 Rfd8 3. Qg4+ Kf8
>>>                                    4. Nd7+ Rxd7 5. Rxd7 Qc4 6. Qh3 Qh4
>>>                                    7. Qf5 Qf6 8. Qd3
>>>               13     4:17   0.92   1. ... Kxg7 2. Ne5 Rfd8 3. Qh5 Bf6
>>>                                    4. Nd7 Rxd7 5. Qg4+ Kf8 6. Rxd7 Qc4
>>>                                    7. Qf3 Qc6 8. Qf5
>>>               13->   4:37   0.92   1. ... Kxg7 2. Ne5 Rfd8 3. Qh5 Bf6
>>>                                    4. Nd7 Rxd7 5. Qg4+ Kf8 6. Rxd7 Qc4
>>>                                    7. Qf3 Qc6 8. Qf5
>>
>>
>>Lil ol Amateur likes Rh5, which could be good.  It doesn't get the right
>>continuation, but it's the thought that counts.
>
>That depends who you ask. :-)
>
>>Can anyone shoot a hole in this line?
>>1. Rh5 Qc2 (1... Rfe8 2. Bxg7) 2. Qxe7 Qxb2 3. Ne5! Rc1 4. g4! Rxf1+ 5. Kxf1
>>Qb5+ 6. Kg1 Qb1+ 7. Kg2 Qe4+ 8. Kg3 +-
>
>Slight improvement: CM_SKR gives 8.Kh3 about +0.15 better than 8.Kg3. The eval
>for 8.Kh3 is +1.65, which isn't that much better than 1.Bxg7 gets if you follow
>it up to this depth.
>
>But still, it IS a nice thought!
>
>jm

I think Bxg7 gives at least a pawn worse that the above line.



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