Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 20:19:08 05/08/04
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On May 08, 2004 at 15:41:07, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 08, 2004 at 13:10:10, Sune Fischer wrote: > >>On May 08, 2004 at 12:39:03, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >> >>> >>>As I said before, the first two moves are "pass" moves. I don't think they are >>>actively bad, they just do nothing. GMs do not play pass moves. Current top >>>programs rarely play them. Deep Blue played 3 or 4 in a row ;) >> >>I think that depends on the position. >>Take a look at the Fritz/Junior games against Kramnik and Kasparov, I think they >>had plenty of pass moves from both programs, the Hedgehog just being one of >>them. >> >>>>Ruffian 1.0.5 UCI1 15 MB: >>>> 6 00:00 -0,01 Qa5c5 Ra1c1 Bc7d6 b3b4 Qc5b5 Nh4f3 >>>> 7 00:00 -0,05 Qa5c5 Ra1c1 e6e5 g3g4 Bh5g6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Kg1h1 >>>> 8 00:01 0,00 Qa5c5 Ra1c1 Qc5e7 Rc1a1 Qe7d6 Nh4f3 Qd6c5 Ra1c1 e6e5 >>>> 8 00:02 0,03 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 b3b4 Qa5a4 Nf3d4 g4xh3 Bg2xh3 Nf6g4 >>>> 9 00:02 0,04 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 h3xg4 Nf6xg4 b3b4 Qa5a4 Nd2b3 Nd7e5 Nf3xe5 >>>>10 00:04 0,05 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 h3xg4 Nf6xg4 Nf3d4 c6c5 Nd4e2 Bc7e5 Bb2xe5 >>>>Nd7xe5 Ne2f4 >>>>11 00:08 -0,04 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 h3xg4 Nf6xg4 c2c4 d5xc4 Nd2xc4 Qa5f5 e3e4 >>>>Qf5c5 Kg1h1 >>>>11 00:16 -0,02 Qa5c5 Ra1c1 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 d3d4 Qc5b5 c2c4 d5xc4 h3xg4 >>>>Nf6xg4 Rc1xc4 >>>> >>>>How deep is the fail-low for Zappa on g5? >>>>A "blunder" should be >1 pawn, IMO. >>> >>>Ruffian plays g5 for all of 8 seconds :) Deep Blue had 3 minutes to think. >> >>Here is a bit longer analysis, it switches back: >> >>Ruffian 1.0.5 UCI1 62 MB: >> 7 00:00 -0,05 Qa5c5 Ra1c1 e6e5 g3g4 Bh5g6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Kg1h1 >> 8 00:01 0,00 Qa5c5 Ra1c1 Qc5e7 Rc1a1 Qe7d6 Nh4f3 Qd6c5 Ra1c1 e6e5 >> 8 00:02 0,03 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 b3b4 Qa5a4 Nf3d4 g4xh3 Bg2xh3 Nf6g4 >> 9 00:03 0,04 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 h3xg4 Nf6xg4 b3b4 Qa5a4 Nd2b3 Nd7e5 Nf3xe5 >>10 00:04 0,05 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 h3xg4 Nf6xg4 Nf3d4 c6c5 Nd4e2 Bc7e5 Bb2xe5 >>Nd7xe5 Ne2f4 >>11 00:09 -0,04 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 h3xg4 Nf6xg4 c2c4 d5xc4 Nd2xc4 Qa5f5 e3e4 >>Qf5c5 Kg1h1 >>11 00:16 -0,02 Qa5c5 Ra1c1 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 d3d4 Qc5b5 c2c4 d5xc4 h3xg4 >>Nf6xg4 Rc1xc4 >>12 00:38 -0,04 Qa5c5 g3g4 Bh5g6 Ra1c1 Bg6h7 Kg1h1 e6e5 Nh4f5 Bh7xf5 g4xf5 >>g7g6 f5xg6 f7xg6 Rf1g1 >>12 00:48 0,01 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 h3xg4 Bh5xg4 d3d4 Qa5b5 a3a4 Qb5b6 e3e4 d5xe4 >>Nf3h2 Bg4f5 Nd2xe4 >>13 01:38 -0,02 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 h3xg4 Nf6xg4 Nf3d4 Qa5b6 f2f3 Ng4f6 g3g4 >>Bh5g6 Kg1h1 c6c5 Nd4e2 >>14 04:02 0,03 g7g5 Nh4f3 g5g4 h3xg4 Nf6xg4 e3e4 e6e5 e4xd5 c6xd5 c2c4 Ra8e8 >>Nf3h4 Nd7f6 c4xd5 Nf6xd5 Nh4f5 > >I can add that movei likes g5 as the best move for black so I do not believe >that it is a blunder. I am saving this posting to have proof about your chess level. g5??? It deserves 3 question marks. >The people who claim that it is a blunder did not show how to beat chess program >after this blunder so I cannot take their analysis as serious. > >I will take analysis of GM's as serious if after claiming that a move is a >blunder they will give a game to show how they beat chess programs after the >blunder. > >Uri
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