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Subject: Re: Positions from Tao vs Ruffian matches

Author: Bryan Hofmann

Date: 08:21:53 05/09/04

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On May 09, 2004 at 00:31:07, John Merlino wrote:

>On May 08, 2004 at 08:54:55, Bryan Hofmann wrote:
>
>>[D]8/5k1p/3p2r1/PP3p2/3Rn3/B1r4P/1R5K/8 w - - 1 49
>>
>>In move 49 Tao finds Rxe4 at PLY 9 in only 10 seconds. Most other engines take
>>much longer and would have lost this game. I would like to see what the
>>commercial engines do in this position. (game PGN is below round 13)
>
>CM_SKR on an AMD 2500+ needs 0:32
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/3	0.56	1693		49.Bb4 Rf3 50.a6 Ke6
>0:00	1/4	0.77	7902		49.Bb4 Ng5 50.Rd1 Rxh3+ 51.Kg2
>					Ke7 52.a6
>0:00	1/5	0.15	17168		49.Bb4 Ng5 50.Rd1 Rxh3+ 51.Kg2
>					Rh4 52.b6 Ne4+ 53.Kf1
>0:00	1/6	0.11	43754		49.Bb4 Ng5 50.Rd1 Rxh3+ 51.Kg2
>					Rh4 52.Be1 Ne4+ 53.Kf1 Rh1+ 54.Ke2
>0:00	1/7	0.28	127054		49.Bb4 Ng5 50.Rd1 Rxh3+ 51.Kg2
>					Rh4 52.Be1 Ne4+ 53.Kf3 Rh3+ 54.Kf4
>					Ke6
>0:01	1/8	0.00	353832		49.Bb4 Ng5 50.Rf2 Nf3+ 51.Rxf3
>					Rxf3 52.Bxd6 Rf2+ 53.Kh1 Rf1+ 54.Kh2
>					Rf2+
>0:04	1/9	0.00	870926		49.Bb4 Ng5 50.Rf2 Nf3+ 51.Rxf3
>					Rxf3 52.Bxd6 Rf2+ 53.Kh1 Rf1+ 54.Kh2
>					Rf2+
>0:08	1/10	0.00	1877613		49.Bb4 Ng5 50.Rf2 Nf3+ 51.Rxf3
>					Rxf3 52.Bxd6 Rf2+ 53.Kh1 Rf1+ 54.Kh2
>					Rf2+
>0:19	1/11	0.00	4340706		49.Bb4 Ng5 50.Rf2 Nf3+ 51.Rxf3
>					Rxf3 52.Bxd6 Rf2+ 53.Kh1 Rf1+ 54.Kh2
>					Rf2+
>0:32	1/11	0.49	7385879		49.Rxe4 fxe4 50.Bb4 Rc1 51.b6 Ke6
>					52.b7 Rg8 53.a6 Ra1 54.Bd2 Rb8
>					55.Rb6 Kd7
>0:53	2/12	0.49	12369305	49.Rxe4 fxe4 50.Bb4 Rc1 51.b6 Ke6
>					52.b7 Rg8 53.a6 Ra1 54.Bd2 Rb8
>					55.Rb6 Kd7
>
>>[D]r1q3k1/pp1R1pb1/2n1r2p/3Q2p1/2P5/1P4B1/P4PPP/2KN3R b - - 6 22
>>
>>Here in move 22 Tao finds a5 at PLY 5 in only 2 seconds. Most engines select b5
>>in this position but when the a5 move is played against them the see far greater
>>trouble in the score. (game PGN is below round 2)
>
>CM_SKR waffles between b5 and Qe8:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/6	0.62	58234		22...Re7 23.Rxe7 Nxe7 24.Qd3 Qf5
>					25.Qxf5 Nxf5 26.Ne3 Nd4
>0:00	1/6	0.41	84445		22...b6 23.Rc7 Qe8 24.Qd7 Rd8 25.Qxe8+
>					Rdxe8 26.Rd7
>0:01	1/7	0.51	212886		22...b6 23.Ne3 Nb4 24.Qd2 Nxa2+
>					25.Kb1 Nc3+ 26.Kc2 Ne4
>0:01	1/7	0.40	243032		22...Re7 23.Rxe7 Nxe7 24.Qd3 Nf5
>					25.Nc3 Qc5 26.Kb1 Re8
>0:02	1/8	0.60	360730		22...Re7 23.Rxe7 Nxe7 24.Qd2 Nf5
>					25.Re1 Qc5 26.Kb1 Nxg3 27.fxg3
>0:02	1/8	0.54	505447		22...b6 23.Ne3 Nb4 24.Qb7 Nxa2+
>					25.Kb1 Nc3+ 26.Kc2 Qf8 27.Bd6
>0:03	1/8	0.14	692010		22...Qe8 23.Ne3 Nb4 24.Qxb7 Rb6
>					25.Qf3 Nxa2+ 26.Kc2 Qxd7 27.Qxa8+
>					Kh7
>0:06	1/9	0.26	1215028		22...Qe8 23.Ne3 Nb4 24.Qxb7 Nxa2+
>					25.Kb1 Nc3+ 26.Kc2 Rd8 27.Rc7 a5
>					28.Re1
>0:16	1/10	0.39	3251616		22...Qe8 23.Ne3 Nb4 24.Qxb7 Nxa2+
>					25.Kb1 Rb6 26.Qf3 Qxd7 27.Qxa8+
>					Kh7 28.Qe4+ Kg8 29.c5
>0:35	1/10	0.12	7007672		22...b5 23.Ne3 bxc4 24.bxc4 Qa6
>					25.Qd2 Rae8 26.Rd1 Qa3+ 27.Kb1
>					h5 28.Bd6
>1:50	1/11	0.00	22342862	22...b5 23.a3 bxc4 24.bxc4 Qa6
>					25.Qd3 Re2 26.Qxe2 Qxa3+ 27.Kd2
>					Qa5+ 28.Kc1 Qa1+ 29.Kd2 Qa5+
>2:35	1/11	-0.10	31447650	22...Qe8 23.f3 Re2 24.Re1 Rxe1
>					25.Bxe1 Ne5 26.Rd6 Bf8 27.Bc3 Bxd6
>					28.Qxd6 Ng6 29.Qd4
>
>After forcing a5, here is what The King says:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/3	1.04	2665		23.Ne3 Re7 24.Rxe7 Nxe7
>0:00	1/4	0.95	6421		23.Ne3 Re7 24.Rd1 Nb4 25.Qf5
>0:00	1/5	0.99	22608		23.Ne3 a4 24.Nf5 Ra5 25.Rc7 Qf8
>0:00	1/6	0.99	73966		23.Ne3 a4 24.Nf5 Ra5 25.Rc7 Qf8
>0:01	1/7	0.86	222567		23.Ne3 a4 24.Nf5 Ra5 25.Qxe6 fxe6
>					26.Rxg7+ Kh8 27.Nd6
>0:05	1/8	1.14	889827		23.Ne3 Qe8 24.Rxb7 a4 25.Nc2 axb3
>					26.axb3 Ra2 27.Rd1
>0:10	1/9	0.95	1909501		23.Ne3 Qe8 24.Rd1 a4 25.Nc2 axb3
>					26.axb3 Ra2 27.Rxb7 Re2 28.Rd2
>0:42	1/10	0.00	7917344		23.Ne3 a4 24.Nf5 axb3 25.Rxf7 bxa2
>					26.Rxg7+ Kh8 27.Kd2 a1=Q 28.Rxa1
>					Rxa1 29.Rf7 Qe8 30.Rxb7
>1:49	1/10	0.10	20932719	23.a3 Qe8 24.h4 Nd4 25.Kb1 Nxb3
>					26.Rxb7 Rd8 27.Qb5 Qxb5 28.cxb5
>2:01	1/10	0.13	23295312	23.a4 Qe8 24.f3 Re7 25.Rxe7 Qxe7
>					26.Bd6 Qe2 27.Qd2 Re8 28.Qxe2 Rxe2
>2:19	1/11	-0.04	27065515	23.a4 Qe8 24.f3 Re7 25.Rxe7 Qxe7
>					26.Qd6 Qe2 27.Qd2 Re8 28.Qxe2 Rxe2
>2:56	1/11	0.05	34544091	23.Ne3 a4 24.Nf5 Bf8 25.Rc7 Qe8
>					26.Rd1 axb3 27.Rxb7 Rd8 28.Qf3 bxa2
>
>jm


Thanks John, Please see my response to Uri below. I did more testing on this and
it would seem that a5 appears to be the BM here from what I have found.





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