Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:00:10 05/10/04
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On May 10, 2004 at 10:21:21, Sune Fischer wrote: After g5? it is game over simply. resign it and move on to the next game :) >On May 10, 2004 at 09:42:09, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>>I think the original intent was to show that DB was not at the level of "modern" >>>programs _because_ it played g5. Now we have other programs playing it too so >>>this bit of "proof" goes out the window, IMO. >> >>However it played like 7 very poor moves in game 1 and that for every game >>except game 6 and game 2 it just made a few (shuffle moves are not good but are >>not losing the game sometimes). > >This doesn't prove anything other than DB didn't play perfect chess, which we >already strongly suspect for purely mathematical reasons. > >What about the Kasparov-Fritz game where Kasparov pawn stormed the queenside and >fritz shuffled around for about 20 moves doing absolutely nothing. >It refused to push the kingside pawns, perhaps DB would have played better it >didn't seem afraid of pushing pawns :) > >If you want to methodicly produce some evidence that DB was worse than current >top crop, then you have to go through some of their games with the same level of >scrutiny. > >>Antonnie just quoted here what was wrong in his eyes, but there is a shitload of >>other very poor moves. > >Well maybe Anthony is no better than me then (no offence:), but IIRC it was you >who said black could resign after g5, or something to that effect. >I read that as though you agreed with Anthony that g5 was a blunder, but perhaps >you just meant that g5 was symptom of how bad black is? > >>Let me just first tell you that deep blue was very soon out of book. >> >>Starting with move 3 where it already makes a mistake : >> >>3 .. Nd7? best is bxf3 diep plays bxf3 and not nd7. >>10.. h6? very poor move. lucky diep doesn't play that. 10..e5 looks better >> but important is to avoid h6 >>11.. Qa5? very poor move, better is for example Qe7 >>12.. Bc7? very poor move. A real NULLMOVE >>13.. g5? very poor move now there is no way to escape from a zero against >> even poor shuffle players >>16.. Qb6 this is not the best move >>22.. g4? >> >>I hope you realize Seirawan had an easy job commenting on these games. The bad >>moves made are *so* poor, that he has hardly time to give better alternatives >>for choice mistakes like 16..Qb6. >> >>I am sure you do not realize it, but if you play 2 moves like Qb6 against >>kasparov in a normal game you're dead. >> >>Deep Blue plays however 6 completely losing moves in this game so all the poor >>moves we do not even discuss here. We just discuss at the utmost beginners level >>here. Not even at the higher levels where making wrong choices loses already. > >Well I don't know if they are completely losing, again it's the general >assessments versus concrete analysis. > >-S. >>Best regards, >>Vincent
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