Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 11:42:14 05/12/04
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On May 12, 2004 at 08:20:12, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 12, 2004 at 07:50:09, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On May 12, 2004 at 07:42:31, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On May 12, 2004 at 07:18:50, Mike Hood wrote: >>> >>>>The way to get maximum playing strength out of Shredder 8 is to use the UCI >>>>engine in Shredder's Classic GUI with Sandro Necchi's new opening book, the book >>>>mode set to "Tournament" in the GUI. >>>> >>>>But the SSDF will never test Shredder 8 in this configuration, because it's a >>>>combination of two separately marketed products. The Shredder 8 UCI engine is >>>>sold by Chessbase, and the GUI is sold at www.shredderchess.de. >> >>Hi Uri, >> >>> >>>It is also possible that the best way to get maximum strength of chessmaster is >>>to use Fritz8.ctg under chessbase >> >>It is not the same. I am the book maker for Shredder both for CB and UCI gui. >> >>> >>>If you allow combination of 2 products then you need to allow it for every >>>engine. >>> >>>I am not against it. >> >> >>Again cannot put this on the same level. >> >>>I think that every engine should be tested in the way that the programmer likes >>>and it includes the opening book that he likes and the interface that he choose. >> >>So we did. We asked to test the UCI version with Shredder 8 book, but since it >>is sold in two different packages it was not done. >> >>I told the SSDF that the real update to the 7.04 UCI was the 8.0 UCI and that I >>was not sure Shredder 8 CB would have topped the SSDF list. Looking the result I >>was not that far away from reality... >> >>> >>>Of course credit for the right people should be given in notes to the list and >>>the list can have different color for the programs that were tested as >>>combination of more than one program. >> >>It is the same program, only the book has an option for a more restricted >>selection...how can you call this a combination of two different programs? > >It is clearly a combination of 2 different products. >The fact that the programs of the opening book in these products are almost the >same does not mean that they are not different. > >Uri So, only because for commercial reasons since the Shredder 8 UCI engine is sold in a different package, but made for the Shredder UCI gui it is not tested. Well, realistically speaking the difference from Shredder 7 is that at 49.99 Euro one was buying both guis and now to have the same one needs to pay 49.99 Euro + 29 Euro for the Classic Interface to complete the package. Note that both versions are SMP. To have the same SMP version one needs to buy Deep Fritz 8 at 99.99 Euro. Before one could have Shredder 7 CB and Shredder 7 UCI and it could be a choice to select which one to test. The funny thing about this is that the 2003 World Champion is not tested by the SSDF as the version used for the tournaments is the UCI one! So, SSDF "lost" the possibility to have it tested...as you said a similar product is leading the SSDF list... Sandro
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