Author: Dan Kiski
Date: 03:37:31 12/17/98
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On December 17, 1998 at 03:47:49, Mark Young wrote: >On December 17, 1998 at 03:03:19, Mike Saavedra wrote: > >>On December 17, 1998 at 02:31:19, Lawrence S. Tamarkin wrote: >> >>>Chessmaster6000 is a better Toy than a lot of the other programs out there. >>> >>>True, its opening book editor is a joke, but I don't use it, and I don't know >>>many people (or chess player's), who use the opening books editor in the >>>programs they do own anyway. In fact the Fritz5 default book is so excellent I >>>am plenty happy with it. Even though I also own the 'power book', & with just a >>>few mouse clicks, I could import all of the Chess Base Magazine stuff into the >>>standard one. I guess I'm not any kind of 'serious chess player' or student by >>>Komputer Korner's standards! >>> >>>Yes, CM6000 could benifit immensly from analysis in watch mode, no doubt. >>> >>>Features I like about this excellent toy; >>> >>>1. Rate my play. I still haven't memorized these games completely, my memory is >>>so bad, but I (still),find this feature very challenging. >>> >>>2. Josh Waitzkins voice annotated games. True, I don't like JW. He was mean to >>>me in a face to face blitz game in front of his friends. But this feature is >>>intriguing. I enjoy his lecture's, even though I'm not too crazy about him. >>> >>>3. A wide verity of time control posibilities, and the capability to change the >>>value of pieces & way the program plays agianst you. (So called CM5500 or CM6500 >>>settings?) >>> >>>4. 64 chess unique chess personalities or one's you set yourself. I haven't >>>really tried this out, but my girlfriend likes this feature so much, (She seems >>>to like the 'Wendy' personality best!), that it is currently the only program >>>she will play. (She used to like Fritz5, because of the handicap features). >>> >>>5. Much improved database features, with 400,000+ games in TascBase format. If >>>you own Tascbase as well, it is a good combination, since it is so inexpensive. >>> >>>6. The King chess engine, in my random test, has solved tactics 'crunch >>>positons' faster than any other chess program I own. I don't claim that this is >>>the objective truth, but it does seem that way to me. >>> >>>7. It creates its own topic! Just say CM6000, and people seem to get very >>>worked up about it:) I think the only other program that Komputer Korner 'has it >>>in for', as much right now, is Convetka's, 'Encyclopidia Of Middlegames' Call me >>>crazy, but I like them both. >>> >>>All chess software has its limitations & faults, but if it doesn't crash as soon >>>as you boot it up, (Power Chess, anyone?), and it performs to some extent as it >>>is designed, then it has its worth... >>> >>>mrslug - the inkompetent chess software addict! >> >>I couldn't agree more Larry, all programs have their limitations and their >>strengths. >>I am fascinated by the passion in some of the participants in the CM debates. I >>don't get it. Must I hate CM if I prefer Fritz? Or vice versa? I say no. >>Different strokes for different folks. Maybe someone could explain it to me. > >Lets never kid ourselves, when it comes to chess programs. ELO will always be >king to 90% of the people that buy chess programs. All other features tend to be >a secondary consideration. I don’t care if it is 1 elo point or 100. So the best >answer that rings true to me is, People that spent 100 dollars for a top of the >line program in the belief that top money buys also the strongest playing >program, never want to hear that a sub 30 dollar program has a stronger engine. >So they attack Chessmaster, in the hope that the attack alone will somehow make >it untrue. Just a thoery :) > >> >>Mike While I don't believe that 90% is true, I do think that a high number of people are disapointed when they buy a program for $60 and find that the $30 CM is as strong. The cm is sold to the mass market you can find it in almost any software retailor, mindscape do a good job with getting this program into the main stream. If i want to buy any of the so-called top programs I need to either buy it over the net from say ICD (Plug) or direct from the manufacturer like chessbase. A lot of people therefore buy the CM because of its availability and naturally its price, I bet there will be a lot more CM's in Johnny's stocking than any other chess programs combined.
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