Author: James T. Walker
Date: 07:30:51 05/15/04
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On May 14, 2004 at 21:11:54, Dann Corbit wrote: >On May 14, 2004 at 20:30:24, James T. Walker wrote: > >>On May 14, 2004 at 20:01:50, John Merlino wrote: >> >>>On May 14, 2004 at 19:19:18, Alex wrote: >>> >>>>On May 14, 2004 at 17:16:03, John Merlino wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:42:13, Terry Giles wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:07:54, John Merlino wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Finally, there's something to see about the next version of Chessmaster >>>>>>>(apparently officially called "Chessmaster 10th Edition"): >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/chessmasterx_pc.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As expected (by me), the interface is entirely new, since the program is being >>>>>>>developed by the same team that did the PS2 version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>From what I can glean from the info on the website, it sounds like the majority >>>>>>>of the work has gone into redesigning the UI and improving the online play. I >>>>>>>don't see any new exciting tutorial/analysis features, other than Johan's new >>>>>>>version of The King. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So it sounds like they're going to sell the program based on the merits of the >>>>>>>new interface. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I also see a hint that there is an Xbox version in the works as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As for an official release date, there isn't one mentioned. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Enjoy! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>jm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for the info John, sad to say that all the screenshots shown are of >>>>>>'arty-farty' chesspieces and board combinations. I'm currently running CM9k on a >>>>>>PII @ 400Mhz, so unless I go for a major upgrade PC wise, the CM10th anniversary >>>>>>program will prove too demanding for my computer! >>>>>> >>>>>>tag >>>>> >>>>>Yep, the min spec says P3-450, so I don't think this will be for you. >>>>> >>>>>But I would definitely say it's time to upgrade, especially if you are a fan of >>>>>computer chess! >>>>> >>>>>jm >>>> Yah whatever! Look--don't get me wrong......... I am a fan. BUT! let's face >>>>it -- the delivery in regard to online features and quality of chessmaster as >>>>historically presented and advertised is almost criminal in my opinion! Yah -- >>>>3d sets...I am with KURT U. on this one! I ALWAYS actually play on 2d sets! >>>>Annnnnnnnnnnnnd........last but not least let's talk about engine.......is it >>>>reworked or is it JUST a new "personality setting"? Alex >>> >>>To answer your comments: >>> >>>-- I almost always use the 2D sets, too. But many of the 3D sets are playable >>>(particularly the "flat" ones) and have the advantage that they can be resized >>>to any desired amount. >>> >>>-- The engine is new. It's got a new version number and everything -- just like >>>the engine in CM9000, which tests show is anywhere between 100-150 points >>>stronger than the previous version. Somehow I don't see that as "JUST a new >>>'personality setting'". >>> >>>jm >> >>Somehow I don't believe the "100-150 points stronger". In the history of >>commercial computer chess I have never seen that big of a jump in rating at one >>time. In fact the improvements in strength lately have been almost >>unrecognizable. I am at the point of giving up on buying more chess programs >>and faster computers for a couple of years. My blitz test show Fritz 8 is about >>11 points stronger than Fritz 7. Big deal. It seems that improvements in the >>opening book make it look stronger for a while untill book learning negates the >>new lines. Then the real improvement shows itself. Just my opinion of course. >>Jim > >The last upgrade for ChessMaster: >Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2520 44 -45 251 45% 2552 >Chessmaster 9000 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2720 36 -36 376 55% 2682 > >200 Elo increase. How much was hardware? > >For Chess Tiger 14.0, same program on those two machines: >Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2640 23 -23 905 55% 2608 >Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2719 30 -30 557 61% 2640 >diff = 79 Elo > >For Chess Tiger 15.0, same program on those two machines: >Chess Tiger 15.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2666 34 -33 433 52% 2651 >Chess Tiger 15.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2719 23 -22 983 58% 2659 >diff = 53 Elo > >For Fritz 7.0, same program on those two machines: >Fritz 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2633 38 -37 348 53% 2611 >Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2744 29 -28 634 63% 2653 >diff = 111 Elo > >For Hiarcs 8.0, same program on those two machines: >Hiarcs 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2588 33 -34 440 42% 2648 >Hiarcs 8.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2684 22 -22 996 53% 2663 >diff = 96 Elo > >For Junior 7.0, same program on those two machines: >Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2634 21 -21 1143 56% 2591 >Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2702 24 -23 881 54% 2674 >diff = 68 Elo > >For Rebel Century 4.0, same program on those two machines: >Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2569 52 -53 178 46% 2595 >Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2677 29 -29 590 60% 2606 >diff = 108 Elo > >For Shredder 6.0, same program on those two machines: >Shredder 6.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2618 43 -43 264 52% 2607 >Shredder 6.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2723 31 -30 547 62% 2634 >diff = 105 Elo > >For Shredder 7.0, same program on those two machines: >Shredder 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2772 27 -25 801 70% 2624 >Shredder 7.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2699 34 -34 429 54% 2669 >diff = 73 Elo > >Average Elo elevation for hardware change is: > (79 + 53 + 111 + 96 + 68 + 108 + 105 + 73)/8 = 693/8 = 87 Elo > >Therefore, 200 - 87 = 113 was the last increase for ChessMaster (approximately) >Hence, 100-150 Elo would be par for the course. Thanks for the stats Dann. Do you know if CM9K was tested using original default settings or what? Jim
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