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Subject: Re: The Great Genius 7, why have they forgotten it ???

Author: Tanya Deborah

Date: 17:32:11 05/16/04

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On May 16, 2004 at 03:18:13, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 15, 2004 at 23:15:49, Tanya Deborah wrote:
>
>>On May 15, 2004 at 02:10:42, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On May 15, 2004 at 01:17:07, Tanya Deborah wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello!
>>>>
>>>>Can somebody explain to me, why Genius 7.1 has not even been proven
>>>>by the SSDF???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Genius 7 is a strong engine with a very solid game style, and i dont understand
>>>>why SSDF has not made tests!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think that Genius 7 is not as strong as Fritz8 or Shredder8, but
>>>>is very strong, with a big tendency to draw. This engine seems and play
>>>>like the great player Ulf Anderson because its very difficult to win against
>>>>it, but neither it is not very agressive. I think also, that Genius has a very
>>>>different
>>>>game style, very different in comparison to the game style of the other
>>>>programs.
>>>>
>>>>I realized that Ssdf proved Genius 6.5 some years ago,
>>>>but because they have forgotten Genius 7?? I dont understand...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My another question is, is there some way to run the Genius 7 engine
>>>>in another Interface like winboard, Chesspartner or some other one?
>>>>
>>>>I would also like to know, of all the results and the observations that the
>>>>experts here
>>>>have gotten on this engine. I would appreciate it a lot.
>>>
>>>The SSDF has to play literally hundreds of games for each engine.  Most engines
>>>have *some* way to play automatically.  Tragically, there are a few chess
>>>programs where every single move must be played manually.
>>>
>>>Imagine, if you will, 400 games at 40 moves / 2 hours.  Now, imagine further,
>>>that for each chess move you will have to manually enter the moves made by one
>>>program into the others.  Suppose (for instance) that somehow the games averaged
>>>only 3 hours.  Then 3 * 400 = 1,200 hours.  At minimum wage of $7 per hour, it
>>>would cost $8400 to do it.
>>>
>>>By some miracle of fortitude, the SSDF has managed this stupendous feat with
>>>ChessMaster.  If they should do it with Genius 7, we should all roar in applause
>>>without stopping for one hour, and then we will have emitted only a microscopic
>>>fraction of the effort put forth by the SSDF members.
>>>
>>>By the way, I own a copy of Genius 7.
>>
>>Hi Dann!
>>
>>I think it is a pity that a great program like Genius7 does not has an
>>autoplayer to play against other programs. Like you said, almost all the
>>programs has this option, and it will be nice in the future that Richard Lang
>>implement this feature in the next Genius. Genius is a very good program, and it
>>need to comeback again, and fight a good place in the SSDF! :-)
>>
>>Regards!
>>Tanya
>
>I think that old versions of Genius were tested by the ssdf and they supported
>the autoplayer.
>
>I also believe that Richard Lang did not work on improving the engine since
>Genius3 so there is nothing special to expect from it(it will probably be
>discovered to be the weakest commercial program if they test it)
>
>Uri


Hello Uri.

Do you mean that Genius 7 is a weak comercial program?
Hmmm i dont think so.

Is imposible to know this. Genius 7 does not has autoplayer and is difficult to
know, how strong is really this program. Genius always has been a strong
program, a very solid program.

Indeed i think that this program is not as strong as the best programs. But we
need games, a lot of games to prove this.

Regards
Tanya.







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