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Subject: Re: Two Rook Endgame Test Positions [Baron-Arasan]

Author: John Merlino

Date: 21:29:12 05/16/04

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On May 16, 2004 at 07:46:09, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>This is from yesterdays ICC tourney. I think, especially without TBs, the
>positions might be rather hard.
>
>[D] 8/1R6/8/7P/2k3P1/1p4K1/8/7r w - - 8 97
>
>Here Baron played Rb8, allowing a draw. Rb6 wins (I think, everything else
>draws).

CM_SKR on a P4-2.4, finds Rb6 in two seconds, but the score is only moderately
convincing after three minutes:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/8	0.44	76817		97.Kg2 Rh4 98.Kf3 Kc3 99.Kf4 b2
					100.Kf5 Rh1 101.g5 Rxh5
0:00	2/9	0.22	137954		97.Kg2 Rh4 98.Kf3 Kc3 99.Kf4 Rh1
					100.Rb8 b2 101.g5 Rf1+ 102.Ke5
					b1=Q 103.Rxb1 Rxb1
0:01	3/10	0.11	347797		97.Kg2 Rh4 98.Kf3 Kc3 99.Rc7+ Kd4
					100.Rd7+ Kc3 101.Rd1 b2 102.Kg3
					Kc2 103.Re1
0:02	3/10	0.24	622896		97.Rb6 Kc3 98.h6 b2 99.g5 Kc2 100.Kf4
					b1=Q 101.Rxb1 Kxb1 102.Kf5
0:03	4/11	0.30	863564		97.Rb6 Kc3 98.h6 b2 99.g5 Kc2 100.Kf4
					b1=Q 101.Rxb1 Kxb1 102.Kf5 Kc2
0:06	5/12	0.06	1817433		97.Rb6 Kc3 98.h6 b2 99.g5 Kc2 100.Kf4
					b1=Q 101.Rxb1 Kxb1 102.Kf5 Kc2
					103.Kf6
0:17	6/13	0.30	5127726		97.Rb6 Kc3 98.h6 b2 99.g5 Kc2 100.Kf4
					b1=Q 101.Rxb1 Kxb1 102.Kf5 Kc2
					103.Kf6 Rh5
0:35	7/14	0.30	10312058	97.Rb6 Kc3 98.h6 b2 99.g5 Kc2 100.Kf4
					Rh3 101.Rb8 b1=Q 102.Rxb1 Kxb1
					103.Kg4 Rh2 104.Kf5 Kc2
1:33	8/15	0.78	27077973	97.Rb6 Kc3 98.h6 b2 99.g5 Kc2 100.Kg4
					Rh2 101.Kf5 Rh3 102.Rxb2+ Kxb2
					103.Kf6 Kc3 104.Kg7 Kd4 105.g6 Ke5
3:08	9/16	0.79	55097997	97.Rb6 Kc3 98.h6 b2 99.g5 Kc2 100.Kg4
					b1=Q 101.Rxb1 Kxb1 102.Kf5 Kc2
					103.Kf6 Kc3 104.Kg7 Kd4 105.g6 Ke5
7:36	10/17	1.08	135293355	97.Rb6 Kc3 98.h6 b2 99.g5 Kc2 100.Kg4
					b1=Q 101.Rxb1 Kxb1 102.Kf5 Kc2
					103.Kg6 Kc3 104.Kh7 Kd4 105.g6
					Ke5 106.g7
32:11	11/18	2.27	569531446	97.Rb6 Kc3 98.h6 b2 99.g5 b1=Q
					100.Rxb1 Rxb1 101.h7 Rh1 102.g6
					Rh6 103.Kf4 Rxg6 104.h8=Q+ Kc4
					105.Qc8+ Kd4 106.Qd7+ Kc3 107.Ke4
					Kb2 108.Qd4+ Kb3 109.Qd5+ Kb4

>After Rb8:
>
>1R6/8/8/7P/2k3P1/1p4K1/8/7r b - - 9 97
>
>Now Arasan played Rg1+, which is losing. Kc3 draws (everything else loses).
>After Rg1+ the game continued 98.Kf4 Kc3 99.g5 b2 100.Rxb2!? Kxb2 and the two
>pawns win against the rook.
>
>Does any engine without TBs find Rb6 in the first pos with convincing score? And
>in the second pos, does any engine without TBs see, that Kc3 is really much
>better than alternative moves? The testpositions are not really good, because
>the moves can be found without "understanding" the pos.

Here are the top 3 moves after 97.Rb6:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
4:00	8/15	0.75	66730427	97...Kc3 98.h6 b2 99.g5 Kc2 100.Kg4
					b1=Q 101.Rxb1 Kxb1 102.Kf5 Kc2
					103.Kf6 Kc3 104.Kg7 Kd4 105.g6 Ke5
9:55	8/15	1.11	163004775	97...Ra1 98.h6 Rh1 99.Kf4 Kc3 100.Kg5
					b2 101.Kg6 b1=Q+ 102.Rxb1 Rxb1
					103.h7 Rh1 104.Kg7 Kd4 105.g5 Ke4
					106.g6 Kf5
4:35	8/15	1.23	76841820	97...Rf1 98.h6 Kc3 99.g5 Rh1 100.Kf4
					b2 101.Kf5 Rh4 102.Rxb2 Kxb2 103.Kg6
					Kc3 104.Kh7 Kd4 105.g6 Kd5

jm



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