Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 08:59:21 05/17/04
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On May 15, 2004 at 03:15:20, Amir Ban wrote: >On May 14, 2004 at 20:03:35, Matthew Hull wrote: > >>On May 14, 2004 at 18:26:54, Amir Ban wrote: >> >>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:32:26, Matthew Hull wrote: >>> >>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:16:57, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 13, 2004 at 20:17:42, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Not anyone can play. Only people who have several thousand dollars and two >>>>weeks >>to burn can play. I don't know many people in that situation, or at >>>>least if >>they are in that situation and participated, the locks would be >>>>changed when >>they returned home from the trip :) >>>>> >>>>>FYI, travel costs and hardware are sponsored by the organisation. >>>> >>>>No, they are not. $2000 dollars is not sponsored by the organization, neither >>>>the hotel, nor the paid time off for two weeks. The entire situation is >>>>calculated to discourage American participation. The physical format is >>>>calculated to permit cheating, as was done with the illeagal throwing of a >>>>drawn game to the eventual "winner". It is a corrupt establishment designed to >>>>cater to European interests, and to snub Americans. >>>>It is therefore an irrelevant contest, just like the FIDE World Championship is >>>>completely irrelevant. >>>>:) >>>> >>>>CCT is now the venue for true WORLD comptetition, instead of just European >>>>competition. >>>> >>> >>>No it's not. I will come to CCT to experiment, if I come at all. Others don't >>>bother to show up, and why should they ? >> >> >>Right, what commercial product wants to get beat by crafty? It's bad for >>marketing to loose to the likes of Zappa and bodo. Then people like Vincent and >>GCP couldn't show up here slamming the professor. >> > >Make up your mind: Is crafty the menace that keeps everyone important from CCT Crafty is not the only "menace". There are some very capable amatuer projects, like Zappa, Gothmog, Amateur, Searcher, and Ferret (though it has not participated recently). How would Chessbase marketing like it if it's products finished behind any of these? I think you are the exception here. You don't seem to care three straws one way or the other, although it is safer for you when you submit your entry as "experimental". :) >or is CCT the all-inclusive tournament ? More can participate because there are no economic barriers to participation. > >I don't understand why I should be scared of meeting crafty at CCT, but not >scared of meeting it at WCCC. The chances of crafty participating in ECCC are slim. >Crafty's been there in previous WCCC most of the time. But it was not massively scalable in those events. Now it is. > > >>:) >> >> >> >>>It's not a major event. >> >> >>Nonesense. 50 programs is a huge event. Much bigger than some expensive, >>exclusive, back-yard barbecue at the ICGA. >> > >There are thousands of players at Biel, only a dozen at Wijk an Zee. So what ? >When was the last time Kasparov, Polgar, Anand played in Biel ? Programs don't have egos, neither are they affected by noise, rounds-per-day, or any other human factor. The view you are putting forward only serves to make what is supposed to be a world event into an elitist event with economic barriers erected to stifle participation from strong amatuer projects, ensuring that commercial interests get the most out of their marketing investment. > > >>No. If they thought they could win, they would show up. Remember? ;) >> >>Americans don't show up in Europe because it's expensive. Commercial European >>projects don't show up at the FREE, no-expense CCT because they are chicken. >> >> >>> >>>CCT is a bit like Biel: crowded and noisy, with a few good players. But don't >>>mistake Biel for Wijk an Zee. >> >>Programs don't care how much noise there is. Just come and play. You can't >>stand it if bodo competes with you? I thought the Championship was open to all? >> Oh, only those who are well-off to afford $2000 travel. >> > >America is not a third-world country, and the problem with your argument is that >it works even better for real third-world countries, i.e. that Tanzanian program >would be the world's best, if only its author could afford to write it. The writer of program X has no money to fly to Israel, though his project is a worthy participant. But freely available technology exists that would allow all such programmers to enter the event. Why is this not done? There is no excuse for it not being done. CCT has proven that it can work. All you are offering for an explanation is elitism. > > >>How inclusive. >> >>:) >> >>> >>>Which reminds me that no major chess tournament takes place in the USA nowadays. >>>All the major tournaments are in Europe, but I don't hear you saying that >>>Kaidanov and Stripunsky are the world's best. >> >> >>Many Nations have easy access to Europe. America is not easy or cheap for >>Europeans to access. It's simple economics. >> > >"Easy access" ? Is this a geographical fact I didn't know ? > >Anyway, this must be the reason your major universities Harvard, Stanford, Yale >etc. are intellectual backwaters without foreign students, who all go to >European universities. Not. > >Amir > > >> >> >>> >>>Amir
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