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Subject: Re: List of participants for WCCC

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 11:33:29 05/17/04

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On May 17, 2004 at 13:56:43, Gerd Isenberg wrote:

>On May 17, 2004 at 11:25:15, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 17, 2004 at 05:13:03, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On May 17, 2004 at 00:32:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 15, 2004 at 03:15:20, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 20:03:35, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 18:26:54, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:32:26, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:16:57, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On May 13, 2004 at 20:17:42, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Not anyone can play. Only people who have several thousand dollars and two
>>>>>>>>weeks >>to burn can play. I don't know many people in that situation, or at
>>>>>>>>least if >>they are in that situation and participated, the locks would be
>>>>>>>>changed when >>they returned home from the trip :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>FYI, travel costs and hardware are sponsored by the organisation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, they are not.  $2000 dollars is not sponsored by the organization, neither
>>>>>>>>the hotel, nor the paid time off for two weeks.  The entire situation is
>>>>>>>>calculated to discourage American participation.  The physical format is
>>>>>>>>calculated to permit cheating, as was done with the illeagal throwing of a
>>>>>>>>drawn game to the eventual "winner".  It is a corrupt establishment designed to
>>>>>>>>cater to European interests, and to snub Americans.
>>>>>>>>It is therefore an irrelevant contest, just like the FIDE World Championship is
>>>>>>>>completely irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>CCT is now the venue for true WORLD comptetition, instead of just European
>>>>>>>>competition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No it's not. I will come to CCT to experiment, if I come at all. Others don't
>>>>>>>bother to show up, and why should they ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Right, what commercial product wants to get beat by crafty?  It's bad for
>>>>>>marketing to loose to the likes of Zappa and bodo.  Then people like Vincent and
>>>>>>GCP couldn't show up here slamming the professor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Make up your mind: Is crafty the menace that keeps everyone important from CCT
>>>>>or is CCT the all-inclusive tournament ?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't understand why I should be scared of meeting crafty at CCT, but not
>>>>>scared of meeting it at WCCC. Crafty's been there in previous WCCC most of the
>>>>>time.
>>>>
>>>>I remember 1996/1997.  And maybe one other event.  That's 3 out of 10 maybe...
>>>>
>>>>I don't believe the "scared" stuff.  I'm not "scared" to play anybody.  Heck, I
>>>>played Deep Thought, Belle, chess 4.x...  That was part of the process.  I doubt
>>>>any commercial programmer would be "scared".  "worried" might well apply as
>>>>there are serious hardware platforms that can serve like the old Colt .45
>>>>revolver of the wild-wild west.  Often called "the great equalizer".  :)
>>>>
>>>>I don't attend for simple reasons.
>>>>
>>>>1.  Too expensive to travel to Europe every year.  If it were in NA every other
>>>>year as the charter once demanded, I could at least make those as I always did
>>>>in the past, and occasionally make the ones in Europe.
>>>>
>>>>2.  Too long.  For the first 25 years these events were 5 rounds and 4 days
>>>>long.  Now they stretch to two weeks.  My only choice would be to make that a
>>>>family vacation, and it would have to be scheduled during two breaks that might
>>>>possibly be long enough for me to attend.  But I don't see the ICCA (or anyone)
>>>>trying to work around one participant's schedule, it doesn't make much sense.
>>>>It would be easier to just shorten the event.  Worst case could be 5 days, 2
>>>>rounds per day, although that still turns into a week with travel days required
>>>>for international travel.
>>>>
>>>>3.  Getting a local operator is a non-optimal solution.  I can't do any book
>>>>updates.
>>>
>>>I do not understand why you cannot do it.
>>>What is the problem to tell the operator to do the exact things that you could
>>>do in case of going to Israel?
>>>
>>>Cannot you talk with the operator by email or by telephone during the
>>>tournament?
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>Telephone really doesn't help.  Can I dictate a couple of hundred chess moves
>>over the phone with any reliability?  Probably not.
>>
>>At the 1996 WMCCC event Crafty played in, we could not get _any_ information
>>about the pairings, the results of each round.  I mean _nothing_.  Ditto at the
>>1997 WMCCC in Paris.  No internet access there or anything.
>>
>>That is not always the case, but it is the case often enough to make it a
>>problem...
>>
>>I have a pretty long "tournament preparation" document I wrote up for operators
>>of Crafty in the past.  But it can't cover everything.  Particularly trying to
>>update the book if something goes wrong...
>
>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?365165
>
>What is wrong with playing remote and looking for an operator on site?
>Maybe with some webcam you may participate personally as well ;-)
>I guess todays internet connection is no major problem between Israel and US,
>specially between universities. The early registration deadline was extended
>until June 1. IMHO it would be very nice and interesting if Crafty would
>participate that way with a huge opteron box!


Yes !!! It would be very amazing to see a free-open-source program winning the
WCCC !


>
>Cheers,
>Gerd



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