Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:39:30 05/17/04
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On May 17, 2004 at 14:33:29, Vincent Lejeune wrote: >On May 17, 2004 at 13:56:43, Gerd Isenberg wrote: > >>On May 17, 2004 at 11:25:15, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 17, 2004 at 05:13:03, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On May 17, 2004 at 00:32:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 15, 2004 at 03:15:20, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 20:03:35, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 18:26:54, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:32:26, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:16:57, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 13, 2004 at 20:17:42, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Not anyone can play. Only people who have several thousand dollars and two >>>>>>>>>weeks >>to burn can play. I don't know many people in that situation, or at >>>>>>>>>least if >>they are in that situation and participated, the locks would be >>>>>>>>>changed when >>they returned home from the trip :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>FYI, travel costs and hardware are sponsored by the organisation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>No, they are not. $2000 dollars is not sponsored by the organization, neither >>>>>>>>>the hotel, nor the paid time off for two weeks. The entire situation is >>>>>>>>>calculated to discourage American participation. The physical format is >>>>>>>>>calculated to permit cheating, as was done with the illeagal throwing of a >>>>>>>>>drawn game to the eventual "winner". It is a corrupt establishment designed to >>>>>>>>>cater to European interests, and to snub Americans. >>>>>>>>>It is therefore an irrelevant contest, just like the FIDE World Championship is >>>>>>>>>completely irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>:) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>CCT is now the venue for true WORLD comptetition, instead of just European >>>>>>>>>competition. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>No it's not. I will come to CCT to experiment, if I come at all. Others don't >>>>>>>>bother to show up, and why should they ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Right, what commercial product wants to get beat by crafty? It's bad for >>>>>>>marketing to loose to the likes of Zappa and bodo. Then people like Vincent and >>>>>>>GCP couldn't show up here slamming the professor. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Make up your mind: Is crafty the menace that keeps everyone important from CCT >>>>>>or is CCT the all-inclusive tournament ? >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't understand why I should be scared of meeting crafty at CCT, but not >>>>>>scared of meeting it at WCCC. Crafty's been there in previous WCCC most of the >>>>>>time. >>>>> >>>>>I remember 1996/1997. And maybe one other event. That's 3 out of 10 maybe... >>>>> >>>>>I don't believe the "scared" stuff. I'm not "scared" to play anybody. Heck, I >>>>>played Deep Thought, Belle, chess 4.x... That was part of the process. I doubt >>>>>any commercial programmer would be "scared". "worried" might well apply as >>>>>there are serious hardware platforms that can serve like the old Colt .45 >>>>>revolver of the wild-wild west. Often called "the great equalizer". :) >>>>> >>>>>I don't attend for simple reasons. >>>>> >>>>>1. Too expensive to travel to Europe every year. If it were in NA every other >>>>>year as the charter once demanded, I could at least make those as I always did >>>>>in the past, and occasionally make the ones in Europe. >>>>> >>>>>2. Too long. For the first 25 years these events were 5 rounds and 4 days >>>>>long. Now they stretch to two weeks. My only choice would be to make that a >>>>>family vacation, and it would have to be scheduled during two breaks that might >>>>>possibly be long enough for me to attend. But I don't see the ICCA (or anyone) >>>>>trying to work around one participant's schedule, it doesn't make much sense. >>>>>It would be easier to just shorten the event. Worst case could be 5 days, 2 >>>>>rounds per day, although that still turns into a week with travel days required >>>>>for international travel. >>>>> >>>>>3. Getting a local operator is a non-optimal solution. I can't do any book >>>>>updates. >>>> >>>>I do not understand why you cannot do it. >>>>What is the problem to tell the operator to do the exact things that you could >>>>do in case of going to Israel? >>>> >>>>Cannot you talk with the operator by email or by telephone during the >>>>tournament? >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>Telephone really doesn't help. Can I dictate a couple of hundred chess moves >>>over the phone with any reliability? Probably not. >>> >>>At the 1996 WMCCC event Crafty played in, we could not get _any_ information >>>about the pairings, the results of each round. I mean _nothing_. Ditto at the >>>1997 WMCCC in Paris. No internet access there or anything. >>> >>>That is not always the case, but it is the case often enough to make it a >>>problem... >>> >>>I have a pretty long "tournament preparation" document I wrote up for operators >>>of Crafty in the past. But it can't cover everything. Particularly trying to >>>update the book if something goes wrong... >> >>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?365165 >> >>What is wrong with playing remote and looking for an operator on site? >>Maybe with some webcam you may participate personally as well ;-) >>I guess todays internet connection is no major problem between Israel and US, >>specially between universities. The early registration deadline was extended >>until June 1. IMHO it would be very nice and interesting if Crafty would >>participate that way with a huge opteron box! > > >Yes !!! It would be very amazing to see a free-open-source program winning the >WCCC ! > > That is a _big_ stretch to see Crafty winning. It would have very good chances against _any_ program. But the overall odds of anybody winning are very small... >> >>Cheers, >>Gerd
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