Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 05:44:05 05/18/04
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On May 18, 2004 at 05:25:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On May 17, 2004 at 17:39:30, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 17, 2004 at 14:33:29, Vincent Lejeune wrote: >> >>>On May 17, 2004 at 13:56:43, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>> >>>>On May 17, 2004 at 11:25:15, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 17, 2004 at 05:13:03, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 17, 2004 at 00:32:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 15, 2004 at 03:15:20, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 20:03:35, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 18:26:54, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:32:26, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:16:57, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On May 13, 2004 at 20:17:42, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Not anyone can play. Only people who have several thousand dollars and two >>>>>>>>>>>weeks >>to burn can play. I don't know many people in that situation, or at >>>>>>>>>>>least if >>they are in that situation and participated, the locks would be >>>>>>>>>>>changed when >>they returned home from the trip :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>FYI, travel costs and hardware are sponsored by the organisation. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>No, they are not. $2000 dollars is not sponsored by the organization, neither >>>>>>>>>>>the hotel, nor the paid time off for two weeks. The entire situation is >>>>>>>>>>>calculated to discourage American participation. The physical format is >>>>>>>>>>>calculated to permit cheating, as was done with the illeagal throwing of a >>>>>>>>>>>drawn game to the eventual "winner". It is a corrupt establishment designed to >>>>>>>>>>>cater to European interests, and to snub Americans. >>>>>>>>>>>It is therefore an irrelevant contest, just like the FIDE World Championship is >>>>>>>>>>>completely irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>:) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>CCT is now the venue for true WORLD comptetition, instead of just European >>>>>>>>>>>competition. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>No it's not. I will come to CCT to experiment, if I come at all. Others don't >>>>>>>>>>bother to show up, and why should they ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Right, what commercial product wants to get beat by crafty? It's bad for >>>>>>>>>marketing to loose to the likes of Zappa and bodo. Then people like Vincent and >>>>>>>>>GCP couldn't show up here slamming the professor. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Make up your mind: Is crafty the menace that keeps everyone important from CCT >>>>>>>>or is CCT the all-inclusive tournament ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I don't understand why I should be scared of meeting crafty at CCT, but not >>>>>>>>scared of meeting it at WCCC. Crafty's been there in previous WCCC most of the >>>>>>>>time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I remember 1996/1997. And maybe one other event. That's 3 out of 10 maybe... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't believe the "scared" stuff. I'm not "scared" to play anybody. Heck, I >>>>>>>played Deep Thought, Belle, chess 4.x... That was part of the process. I doubt >>>>>>>any commercial programmer would be "scared". "worried" might well apply as >>>>>>>there are serious hardware platforms that can serve like the old Colt .45 >>>>>>>revolver of the wild-wild west. Often called "the great equalizer". :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't attend for simple reasons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1. Too expensive to travel to Europe every year. If it were in NA every other >>>>>>>year as the charter once demanded, I could at least make those as I always did >>>>>>>in the past, and occasionally make the ones in Europe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>2. Too long. For the first 25 years these events were 5 rounds and 4 days >>>>>>>long. Now they stretch to two weeks. My only choice would be to make that a >>>>>>>family vacation, and it would have to be scheduled during two breaks that might >>>>>>>possibly be long enough for me to attend. But I don't see the ICCA (or anyone) >>>>>>>trying to work around one participant's schedule, it doesn't make much sense. >>>>>>>It would be easier to just shorten the event. Worst case could be 5 days, 2 >>>>>>>rounds per day, although that still turns into a week with travel days required >>>>>>>for international travel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>3. Getting a local operator is a non-optimal solution. I can't do any book >>>>>>>updates. >>>>>> >>>>>>I do not understand why you cannot do it. >>>>>>What is the problem to tell the operator to do the exact things that you could >>>>>>do in case of going to Israel? >>>>>> >>>>>>Cannot you talk with the operator by email or by telephone during the >>>>>>tournament? >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Telephone really doesn't help. Can I dictate a couple of hundred chess moves >>>>>over the phone with any reliability? Probably not. >>>>> >>>>>At the 1996 WMCCC event Crafty played in, we could not get _any_ information >>>>>about the pairings, the results of each round. I mean _nothing_. Ditto at the >>>>>1997 WMCCC in Paris. No internet access there or anything. >>>>> >>>>>That is not always the case, but it is the case often enough to make it a >>>>>problem... >>>>> >>>>>I have a pretty long "tournament preparation" document I wrote up for operators >>>>>of Crafty in the past. But it can't cover everything. Particularly trying to >>>>>update the book if something goes wrong... >>>> >>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?365165 >>>> >>>>What is wrong with playing remote and looking for an operator on site? >>>>Maybe with some webcam you may participate personally as well ;-) >>>>I guess todays internet connection is no major problem between Israel and US, >>>>specially between universities. The early registration deadline was extended >>>>until June 1. IMHO it would be very nice and interesting if Crafty would >>>>participate that way with a huge opteron box! >>> >>> >>>Yes !!! It would be very amazing to see a free-open-source program winning the >>>WCCC ! >>> >>> >> >>That is a _big_ stretch to see Crafty winning. It would have very good chances >>against _any_ program. But the overall odds of anybody winning are very >>small... > >It has some draw chances against several, but that's about it. Like if i come >out of book 2 pawns down against crafty i might draw it. If i get out of book 1 >pawn down i still might win. See for example crafty-junior world champs 2001. >Junior pawn down played some attacking moves. Dang there was crafty gone. > >Zero win chances for crafty of course. [Event "ICS Rated Standard match"] [Site "chessclub.com"] [Date "2004.04.11"] [Round "-"] [White "crafty"] [Black "DIEP"] [Result "1-0"] [WhiteElo "2555"] [BlackElo "2491"] [TimeControl "1800+30"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 c5 7. Bc4 Bg7 8. Ne2 cxd4 9. cxd4 Nc6 10. Be3 O-O 11. O-O Na5 12. Bd3 b6 13. Rc1 e6 14. Qd2 Bb7 15. Bh6 Qe7 16. Bxg7 Kxg7 17. Qf4 Rac8 18. h4 Nc6 19. d5 exd5 20. exd5 Ne5 21. Be4 Ba6 22. Rxc8 Rxc8 23. Re1 Re8 24. h5 f5 25. Bxf5 gxf5 26. Nd4 Kh8 27. Kh1 Qf7 28. Qxf5 Qxf5 29. Nxf5 Bc4 30. f4 Bxd5 31. a3 Rg8 32. Rxe5 Bxg2+ 33. Kh2 Bf3 34. h6 Rg2+ 35. Kh3 Rg6 36. Re8+ Rg8 37. Rxg8+ Kxg8 38. Kh4 Kf7 39. Kg5 a5 40. Nd4 Bd5 41. Kf5 Bc4 42. a4 Ke7 43. Ke5 Bf7 44. f5 Bc4 45. Ne6 b5 46. f6+ Kf7 47. Ng5+ Kg6 48. axb5 a4 49. Kd4 a3 50. Kxc4 a2 51. f7 a1=Q 52. f8=Q Qc1+ 53. Kd5 1-0 > >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>>Gerd
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