Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 06:25:43 05/18/04
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On May 18, 2004 at 05:25:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On May 17, 2004 at 17:39:30, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 17, 2004 at 14:33:29, Vincent Lejeune wrote: >> >>>On May 17, 2004 at 13:56:43, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>> >>>>On May 17, 2004 at 11:25:15, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 17, 2004 at 05:13:03, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 17, 2004 at 00:32:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 15, 2004 at 03:15:20, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 20:03:35, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 18:26:54, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:32:26, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:16:57, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On May 13, 2004 at 20:17:42, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Not anyone can play. Only people who have several thousand dollars and two >>>>>>>>>>>weeks >>to burn can play. I don't know many people in that situation, or at >>>>>>>>>>>least if >>they are in that situation and participated, the locks would be >>>>>>>>>>>changed when >>they returned home from the trip :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>FYI, travel costs and hardware are sponsored by the organisation. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>No, they are not. $2000 dollars is not sponsored by the organization, neither >>>>>>>>>>>the hotel, nor the paid time off for two weeks. The entire situation is >>>>>>>>>>>calculated to discourage American participation. The physical format is >>>>>>>>>>>calculated to permit cheating, as was done with the illeagal throwing of a >>>>>>>>>>>drawn game to the eventual "winner". It is a corrupt establishment designed to >>>>>>>>>>>cater to European interests, and to snub Americans. >>>>>>>>>>>It is therefore an irrelevant contest, just like the FIDE World Championship is >>>>>>>>>>>completely irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>:) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>CCT is now the venue for true WORLD comptetition, instead of just European >>>>>>>>>>>competition. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>No it's not. I will come to CCT to experiment, if I come at all. Others don't >>>>>>>>>>bother to show up, and why should they ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Right, what commercial product wants to get beat by crafty? It's bad for >>>>>>>>>marketing to loose to the likes of Zappa and bodo. Then people like Vincent and >>>>>>>>>GCP couldn't show up here slamming the professor. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Make up your mind: Is crafty the menace that keeps everyone important from CCT >>>>>>>>or is CCT the all-inclusive tournament ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I don't understand why I should be scared of meeting crafty at CCT, but not >>>>>>>>scared of meeting it at WCCC. Crafty's been there in previous WCCC most of the >>>>>>>>time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I remember 1996/1997. And maybe one other event. That's 3 out of 10 maybe... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't believe the "scared" stuff. I'm not "scared" to play anybody. Heck, I >>>>>>>played Deep Thought, Belle, chess 4.x... That was part of the process. I doubt >>>>>>>any commercial programmer would be "scared". "worried" might well apply as >>>>>>>there are serious hardware platforms that can serve like the old Colt .45 >>>>>>>revolver of the wild-wild west. Often called "the great equalizer". :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't attend for simple reasons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1. Too expensive to travel to Europe every year. If it were in NA every other >>>>>>>year as the charter once demanded, I could at least make those as I always did >>>>>>>in the past, and occasionally make the ones in Europe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>2. Too long. For the first 25 years these events were 5 rounds and 4 days >>>>>>>long. Now they stretch to two weeks. My only choice would be to make that a >>>>>>>family vacation, and it would have to be scheduled during two breaks that might >>>>>>>possibly be long enough for me to attend. But I don't see the ICCA (or anyone) >>>>>>>trying to work around one participant's schedule, it doesn't make much sense. >>>>>>>It would be easier to just shorten the event. Worst case could be 5 days, 2 >>>>>>>rounds per day, although that still turns into a week with travel days required >>>>>>>for international travel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>3. Getting a local operator is a non-optimal solution. I can't do any book >>>>>>>updates. >>>>>> >>>>>>I do not understand why you cannot do it. >>>>>>What is the problem to tell the operator to do the exact things that you could >>>>>>do in case of going to Israel? >>>>>> >>>>>>Cannot you talk with the operator by email or by telephone during the >>>>>>tournament? >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Telephone really doesn't help. Can I dictate a couple of hundred chess moves >>>>>over the phone with any reliability? Probably not. >>>>> >>>>>At the 1996 WMCCC event Crafty played in, we could not get _any_ information >>>>>about the pairings, the results of each round. I mean _nothing_. Ditto at the >>>>>1997 WMCCC in Paris. No internet access there or anything. >>>>> >>>>>That is not always the case, but it is the case often enough to make it a >>>>>problem... >>>>> >>>>>I have a pretty long "tournament preparation" document I wrote up for operators >>>>>of Crafty in the past. But it can't cover everything. Particularly trying to >>>>>update the book if something goes wrong... >>>> >>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?365165 >>>> >>>>What is wrong with playing remote and looking for an operator on site? >>>>Maybe with some webcam you may participate personally as well ;-) >>>>I guess todays internet connection is no major problem between Israel and US, >>>>specially between universities. The early registration deadline was extended >>>>until June 1. IMHO it would be very nice and interesting if Crafty would >>>>participate that way with a huge opteron box! >>> >>> >>>Yes !!! It would be very amazing to see a free-open-source program winning the >>>WCCC ! >>> >>> >> >>That is a _big_ stretch to see Crafty winning. It would have very good chances >>against _any_ program. But the overall odds of anybody winning are very >>small... > >It has some draw chances against several, but that's about it. Like if i come >out of book 2 pawns down against crafty i might draw it. If i get out of book 1 >pawn down i still might win. See for example crafty-junior world champs 2001. >Junior pawn down played some attacking moves. Dang there was crafty gone. > >Zero win chances for crafty of course. Whatever my chances, they are better than yours, based on past results. Why don't you go away? Or do you need a forum to continually spread your lies and get caught, over and over??? > >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>>Gerd
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