Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 10:16:45 05/18/04
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On May 18, 2004 at 12:12:10, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >On May 18, 2004 at 11:13:48, Matthew Hull wrote: > >>On May 18, 2004 at 10:33:26, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On May 18, 2004 at 10:22:21, Matthew Hull wrote: >>> >>>>On May 18, 2004 at 10:09:52, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 10:06:30, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 09:36:41, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 09:22:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 08:53:01, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Right. How exactly would I have done that at the WMCCC in Jakarta? At >>>>the >>one >>>>in Paris. _NO_ internet access. _NO_ email access. Jakarta >>was >>a >>black hole. >>> >>>>>>>>>Fine, in Israel you _DO_ have internet access, and you _DO_ have email >>>>>>access. >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Fine. Nothing like _consistency_. Makes "planning" quite easy, would >>you >>>>not >>agree? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In Graz there was Internet. In Maastricht there was internet. What's your >>>>>>>point? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Then there was no need to make it a physical event, except as a means of >>>>>>excluding people with an economic barrier. >>>>> >>>>>Most conference all over the world still require physical presence. Ever >>>>wonder >why, when a video conference can substitute it? >>>> >>>> >>>>What good is a conference if people can't afford to attend? >>> >>>But people *do* attend. Almost all major conferences across the world require >>>physical presence >> >> >> >> >>So, if you want to be world champion at computer chess, it is not enough to >>have the strongest program. You must also have plenty of money -- not for a >>computer or software, mind you, because those are cheap, but money to afford to >>sit down at a table in a foreign land and play the moves MANUALLY. >> >>????? >> >>Why send emails or talk in a chat forum when we can spend thousands of dollars >>on plane tickets and talk to each other in person? >>Why call someone on the telephone, when you can fly there and speak in person? >> >>Why have an internet chess club when everyone can just fly to one place and >>play chess together in person? >>This remote chess tournament stuff is really dumb, because we could spend the >>money in our savings accounts, travel to Israel and play computer chess moves >>by hand, all while I'm connected via the internet to my super-computer back in >>the USA. Wow, ain't technology grand. >>It's like in Star Wars where these guys commandeer their technologically >>advanced starships to travel half-way accross the galaxy to what? To have a >>sword fight! >> >>You are FORCING the tournament to be a physical event so that you can exclude >>competition. >>You can hold the event on the moon, and it's open to everyone. All you need to >>do is get enough money to buy a Saturn V rocket. "If you thought you could >>win, you would attend. All those that don't attend had no real chance of >>winning." >> >> >> >> >>>, and people from all over the world take part. There is no >>>substitute for physical presence. Don't forget that even though the programs >>>compete in this tournament, it is an event for programmers (humans), not for >>>machines... >> >> >>Rich humans. If you're not rich, you are excluded. Amateurs from far >>countries be damned. >> >>CCT includes people. ICGA excludes people based on economic ability. > >Physical events are just better. World championships are supposed to be serious >events. World Championships aren't about including every shmuck who thinks he >is an Olympian. Chess programming itself is filter enough to determine an "olympian". It's hard. Not any schmuck can write a program that complex. > >Look, it is this simple: 2 weeks and $2000 _every year_ is a _lot_ of time and >money. 1 week and $1000 is not that bad. $0 and any number of days/rounds you like is even easier. No excuse for not doing it. IMO. > >anthony > >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>The conference >>>>should have set up lectures for Internet broadcast and made tournament >>>>participation avialable via the internet. I mean, we've gone to all the >>>>trouble of developing this fabulous technology which connects the world, and >>>>these lame-brains are stuck in the 1970s. It's ludicrous. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In 1996 and 1997 Internet was not way as common and cheap as it is now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Assuming there had been no improvement in this regard is rather, well, >>>>>>>stupid. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>GCP
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