Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:46:34 05/18/04
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On May 18, 2004 at 13:28:46, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On May 18, 2004 at 12:47:50, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 18, 2004 at 11:29:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 18, 2004 at 10:25:05, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On May 18, 2004 at 10:12:21, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 09:30:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 09:20:37, Mark Winands wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>This is very cool! >>>>>> >>>>>>ALL REGISTER !!!!!!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The money would be better spent making the event attendable remotely instead of >>>>>forcing people to spend $2000-$3000 on travel and burning two weeks of paid (or >>>>>unpaid) leave. >>>> >>>>what is this for nonsense? >>>> >>>>Average professor travels the world for conferences each weekend. >>>> >>>>I bet average professor claims from his university like 200000 dollar a year >>>>expenses just for travel. >> >> >>I did a bit of research. 90% of UAB travel is to in-the-US conferences. >>Average cost is $1,000 per conference, including travel, room, food and >>registration. Average cost for international conference is $2000. > >So then they claim quite a bit more probably than they spend? I have no idea what you are talking about. I am simply quoting data from travel expense report summaries. The numbers I quoted above were what was claimed for travel by the people doing the travel. > >My niece happened to work as a financial bookkeeper and saw therefore for a part >of Netherlands the expenses made by all professors. Now it is true that for >those on the planet who by default order business class tickets and 5 star >hotels that you won't even be able to book a conference for under $12000 :) Bullshit. International airline tickets average $1500 USD. Hotel rooms average 150 USD per night. This not from made up numbers but from real travel expense reports. > >Apart from that, i happen to know a bunch of professors, 2 of them family >members and one of the professors i know is each month in Japan, so don't tell >me that costs $2000 a week there :) > It costs about $2,000 to attend an international conference for 2-3 days + travel time. I said no more or no less. Some can be more. Some are less. That is why I gave an "average"... >Shall we say $20000 a week? shall we stay in reality and say 2000 per conference? > >It would be ridicioulous in itself if in USA professors which cannot get fired >easily, that they do claim less than european professors, unless you get that >much money as a salary that you don't need it :) > >So that $1100 ticket from your place to israel. Apologies it's $2200 for you as >you travel by default business class i guess, that won't be the biggest problem. I _always_ travel the cheapest way. > >Matter of some paper forms. > >Also if the 4 star hotel isn't good enough for you, there is also 5 star hotels >there... > >>If you take best case of 100% in-us travel, your ridiculous $200,000 per faculty >>travel budget you pulled out of your butt would turn into 200 conferences per >>faculty per year. At 3 days per conference, plus 1-2 travel days, that would >>require 200 * 4.5 days per year. My year has 365 days. How many does yours >>have? If you take worst-case and assume all international conferences, that >>reduces the number to 100 conferences per year, requiring only 450 days per year >>to attend. How long is your year? If you just assume 150 conferences per year, > >It's nice to know that american professors just attend conferences in USA. > >In my humble opinion majority of university conferences organized world wide are >*not* in USA but elsewhere than in USA. > Did you read the stats I provided? 90% is inside US. 10% is outside. Is that hard to understand? one of every ten conference trips is outside the US. We have _lots_ of regional and national conferences, plus plenty of international conferences that come to the US regularly... Sheesh. You have a reading comprehension problem to go along with all the other problems you have.. >Let's start with this years ICGA conference. > >Surprise, it's in Israel! And as always, one _poor_ example and you have "proofed" your point??? > >>that allows just over 2 days for each one. Including travel. No time for >>teaching, research, writing the papers presented at those conferences, etc. >>Over here we can't attend a conference unless we present a paper. I don't know >>of anyone that writes 150-200 papers per year. >> >>Your claim is just complete rubbish, as are most of your claims. You give no >>thought before making up numbers, and you end up looking like a complete moron >>when someone looks at your numbers carefully. >> >>Here is _another_ example. >> >>I'm sure it won't be the last. We'll have to wait no longer than for your next >>post here... >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>>You are about as full of bullshit as anyone I have _ever_ known. >>> >>>We have about $2,000.00 per year per faculty member for travel. If you have >>>federal funding you can ask the sponsoring agency for travel funds as part of >>>the grant, but that is limited to about $5,000 per person and it can _not_ be >>>used to attend what the fed would call an unnecessary computer chess tournament. >>> >>>Grow up and stop making things up... >>> >>> >>>> >>>>In Netherlands average professor claims 100k euro a year. >>> >>> >>>Bullshit... >> >>Same problem. The average professor spends 100K on travel? to attend 100 >>conferences? again, how long is your year? >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>And all those professors travel daily. Whatever country. Travel travel to >>>>conferences. >> >>Gone every day? "professors"? How can they teach if they are not present? >> >>By the way. You just cost me another 50 bucks. You _totally_ burned out my >>bullshit detector for the third time in 3 months... And this was the >>super-duper version made by HP. They claim this has never happened before. >> >> >> >> >>>> >>>>So why not a few days world champs? >>>> >>>>You are complaining without having even a program yourself. >>>> >>>>Car dealers also do not market just online. instead they compete in car races >>>>too. And that costs them hundreds of millions of dollars. >>>> >> >> >>Car dealers don't race. Car -manufacturers- do. There is a difference. >> >> >> >>>>Here you can join very cheaply. >>>> >>>>Getting 500$ for free to visit israel even!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>>4 star hotel for just 60 dollar a night!!!!!!! >>>> >>>>Imagine. >>>> >>>>And you are complaining? >>>> >>>>You are a nerd! >>>> >> >>I'll just leave that hanging. I think everyone knows exactly what _you_ are by >>now..
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