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Subject: Re: Details from a financial bookkeeper

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:46:34 05/18/04

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On May 18, 2004 at 13:28:46, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On May 18, 2004 at 12:47:50, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 18, 2004 at 11:29:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 18, 2004 at 10:25:05, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 10:12:21, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 09:30:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 09:20:37, Mark Winands wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is very cool!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ALL REGISTER !!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The money would be better spent making the event attendable remotely instead of
>>>>>forcing people to spend $2000-$3000 on travel and burning two weeks of paid (or
>>>>>unpaid) leave.
>>>>
>>>>what is this for nonsense?
>>>>
>>>>Average professor travels the world for conferences each weekend.
>>>>
>>>>I bet average professor claims from his university like 200000 dollar a year
>>>>expenses just for travel.
>>
>>
>>I did a bit of research.  90% of UAB travel is to in-the-US conferences.
>>Average cost is $1,000 per conference, including travel, room, food and
>>registration.  Average cost for international conference is $2000.
>
>So then they claim quite a bit more probably than they spend?

I have no idea what you are talking about.  I am simply quoting data from travel
expense report summaries.  The numbers I quoted above were what was claimed for
travel by the people doing the travel.


>
>My niece happened to work as a financial bookkeeper and saw therefore for a part
>of Netherlands the expenses made by all professors. Now it is true that for
>those on the planet who by default order business class tickets and 5 star
>hotels that you won't even be able to book a conference for under $12000 :)



Bullshit.  International airline tickets average $1500 USD.  Hotel rooms average
150 USD per night.  This not from made up numbers but from real travel expense
reports.


>
>Apart from that, i happen to know a bunch of professors, 2 of them family
>members and one of the professors i know is each month in Japan, so don't tell
>me that costs $2000 a week there :)
>

It costs about $2,000 to attend an international conference for 2-3 days +
travel time.  I said no more or no less.  Some can be more.  Some are less.
That is why I gave an "average"...





>Shall we say $20000 a week?

shall we stay in reality and say 2000 per conference?




>
>It would be ridicioulous in itself if in USA professors which cannot get fired
>easily, that they do claim less than european professors, unless you get that
>much money as a salary that you don't need it :)
>
>So that $1100 ticket from your place to israel. Apologies it's $2200 for you as
>you travel by default business class i guess, that won't be the biggest problem.


I _always_ travel the cheapest way.



>
>Matter of some paper forms.
>
>Also if the 4 star hotel isn't good enough for you, there is also 5 star hotels
>there...
>
>>If you take best case of 100% in-us travel, your ridiculous $200,000 per faculty
>>travel budget you pulled out of your butt would turn into 200 conferences per
>>faculty per year.  At 3 days per conference, plus 1-2 travel days, that would
>>require 200 * 4.5 days per year.  My year has 365 days.  How many does yours
>>have?  If you take worst-case and assume all international conferences, that
>>reduces the number to 100 conferences per year, requiring only 450 days per year
>>to attend.  How long is your year?  If you just assume 150 conferences per year,
>
>It's nice to know that american professors just attend conferences in USA.
>
>In my humble opinion majority of university conferences organized world wide are
>*not* in USA but elsewhere than in USA.
>


Did you read the stats I provided?  90% is inside US.  10% is outside.  Is that
hard to understand?  one of every ten conference trips is outside the US.  We
have _lots_ of regional and national conferences, plus plenty of international
conferences that come to the US regularly...

Sheesh.  You have a reading comprehension problem to go along with all the other
problems you have..




>Let's start with this years ICGA conference.
>
>Surprise, it's in Israel!


And as always, one _poor_ example and you have "proofed" your point???




>
>>that allows just over 2 days for each one.  Including travel.  No time for
>>teaching, research, writing the papers presented at those conferences, etc.
>>Over here we can't attend a conference unless we present a paper.  I don't know
>>of anyone that writes 150-200 papers per year.
>>
>>Your claim is just complete rubbish, as are most of your claims.  You give no
>>thought before making up numbers, and you end up looking like a complete moron
>>when someone looks at your numbers carefully.
>>
>>Here is _another_ example.
>>
>>I'm sure it won't be the last.  We'll have to wait no longer than for your next
>>post here...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>You are about as full of bullshit as anyone I have _ever_ known.
>>>
>>>We have about $2,000.00 per year per faculty member for travel.  If you have
>>>federal funding you can ask the sponsoring agency for travel funds as part of
>>>the grant, but that is limited to about $5,000 per person and it can _not_ be
>>>used to attend what the fed would call an unnecessary computer chess tournament.
>>>
>>>Grow up and stop making things up...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>In Netherlands average professor claims 100k euro a year.
>>>
>>>
>>>Bullshit...
>>
>>Same problem.  The average professor spends 100K on travel?  to attend 100
>>conferences?  again, how long is your year?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>And all those professors travel daily. Whatever country. Travel travel to
>>>>conferences.
>>
>>Gone every day?  "professors"?  How can they teach if they are not present?
>>
>>By the way.  You just cost me another 50 bucks.  You _totally_ burned out my
>>bullshit detector for the third time in 3 months...  And this was the
>>super-duper version made by HP.  They claim this has never happened before.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>So why not a few days world champs?
>>>>
>>>>You are complaining without having even a program yourself.
>>>>
>>>>Car dealers also do not market just online. instead they compete in car races
>>>>too. And that costs them hundreds of millions of dollars.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>Car dealers don't race.  Car -manufacturers- do.  There is a difference.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Here you can join very cheaply.
>>>>
>>>>Getting 500$ for free to visit israel even!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>4 star hotel for just 60 dollar a night!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>Imagine.
>>>>
>>>>And you are complaining?
>>>>
>>>>You are a nerd!
>>>>
>>
>>I'll just leave that hanging.  I think everyone knows exactly what _you_ are by
>>now..



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