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Subject: Re: Komputer Korner calls Chessmaster 6000 a TOY program

Author: blass uri

Date: 00:24:21 12/18/98

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On December 18, 1998 at 02:54:53, Komputer Korner wrote:

>On December 17, 1998 at 09:50:25, Christopher R. Dorr wrote:
>
>>On December 16, 1998 at 17:11:20, Komputer Korner wrote:
>>
>>>This is good news about the CM7 opening book editor, but if they don't also add
>>>the capability of analyzing in player player mode with the engine showing on
>>>screen analysis and score eval while taking back and moving forward moves, then
>>>ChessMaster will still remain a toy program. This is the single most important
>>>feature in chess programs which all the high end programs have.
>>>--
>>>Komputer Korner
>>
>>
>>KK, exactly why do *you* get to decide what's the "single most important
>>feature"? I've said it before, and I'm saying it again: I'm a USCF Master
>>(pretty strong and serious), and I haven't used this feature in at least a year.
>>My best friend is a USCF Master...he doesn't use it either. Our City Champion is
>>a USCF 2300, and I asked him what he uses his computer for...he uses it to play
>>games, and to analyse games from his students.
>>
>>So tell me....since we three serious, master-level players don't consider this
>>feature very important *at all*, exactly how is it the 'single most important'
>>feature?
>>
>>Yes, I know that you know chess software, but you simply don't speak for all (or
>>probably evenb a majority) of computer-using chess players?
>>
>>Your obsessing on features that many consider trivial (opening book editor, this
>>analysis mode) detracts from your toherwise informative and even-handed analysis
>>of these programs.
>>
>>Chris Dorr
>>USCF Life Master
>
>Well then you simply aren't using computers to their fullest extent in helping
>you study chess. I don't care what your rating is. Even Kasparov uses player
>player mode with on screen PV analysis to look at positions. He isn't looking at
>the score evaluation of course but he is certainly looking at the PVs. Buy a top
>rated prgram like Rebel 10, M-Chess Pro 8 , Junior 5 or the upcoming Hiarcs 7
>and use them properly to analyze positions and you will begin to understand how
>to study chess with chess engines. Perhaps an opening book editor isn't that
>important for some even though it has helped me win more than 1 game, but
>analysis in player player mode with on screen analysis of PVs IS the most
>important feature of a chess program. CM 6000 doesn't have that. It could be
>possible to set up a macro with an add on utility as Richard Fowell says to work
>around this but since all top chess programs have this feature, then I have the
>right to call CM6000 a toy program without that feature.
>--
>Komputer Korner

I do not think it is a big problem because I can use take back and switch sides
if I want to see the PV

Uri



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