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Subject: Re: Komputer Korner calls Chessmaster 6000 a TOY program

Author: Komputer Korner

Date: 00:28:13 12/18/98

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On December 18, 1998 at 03:24:21, blass uri wrote:

>
>On December 18, 1998 at 02:54:53, Komputer Korner wrote:
>
>>On December 17, 1998 at 09:50:25, Christopher R. Dorr wrote:
>>
>>>On December 16, 1998 at 17:11:20, Komputer Korner wrote:
>>>
>>>>This is good news about the CM7 opening book editor, but if they don't also add
>>>>the capability of analyzing in player player mode with the engine showing on
>>>>screen analysis and score eval while taking back and moving forward moves, then
>>>>ChessMaster will still remain a toy program. This is the single most important
>>>>feature in chess programs which all the high end programs have.
>>>>--
>>>>Komputer Korner
>>>
>>>
>>>KK, exactly why do *you* get to decide what's the "single most important
>>>feature"? I've said it before, and I'm saying it again: I'm a USCF Master
>>>(pretty strong and serious), and I haven't used this feature in at least a year.
>>>My best friend is a USCF Master...he doesn't use it either. Our City Champion is
>>>a USCF 2300, and I asked him what he uses his computer for...he uses it to play
>>>games, and to analyse games from his students.
>>>
>>>So tell me....since we three serious, master-level players don't consider this
>>>feature very important *at all*, exactly how is it the 'single most important'
>>>feature?
>>>
>>>Yes, I know that you know chess software, but you simply don't speak for all (or
>>>probably evenb a majority) of computer-using chess players?
>>>
>>>Your obsessing on features that many consider trivial (opening book editor, this
>>>analysis mode) detracts from your toherwise informative and even-handed analysis
>>>of these programs.
>>>
>>>Chris Dorr
>>>USCF Life Master
>>
>>Well then you simply aren't using computers to their fullest extent in helping
>>you study chess. I don't care what your rating is. Even Kasparov uses player
>>player mode with on screen PV analysis to look at positions. He isn't looking at
>>the score evaluation of course but he is certainly looking at the PVs. Buy a top
>>rated prgram like Rebel 10, M-Chess Pro 8 , Junior 5 or the upcoming Hiarcs 7
>>and use them properly to analyze positions and you will begin to understand how
>>to study chess with chess engines. Perhaps an opening book editor isn't that
>>important for some even though it has helped me win more than 1 game, but
>>analysis in player player mode with on screen analysis of PVs IS the most
>>important feature of a chess program. CM 6000 doesn't have that. It could be
>>possible to set up a macro with an add on utility as Richard Fowell says to work
>>around this but since all top chess programs have this feature, then I have the
>>right to call CM6000 a toy program without that feature.
>>--
>>Komputer Korner
>
>I do not think it is a big problem because I can use take back and switch sides
>if I want to see the PV
>
>Uri

Yes but that slows you down considerably. Since this should be your number 1
activity in studying chess, a lot of time will be wasted.
--
Komputer Korner



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