Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:24:41 05/19/04
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On May 19, 2004 at 10:38:08, Matthew Hull wrote: >On May 19, 2004 at 10:30:22, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On May 19, 2004 at 10:25:05, Matthew Hull wrote: >> >>>On May 19, 2004 at 10:09:29, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On May 19, 2004 at 09:57:04, Daniel Clausen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 07:27:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 03:35:39, Daniel Clausen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 03:02:05, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[snip] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>That is the goal of the WCCC, to have a competition between the best >>>>>>>>computerized chess playing entities, not to test which software is the >>>best. >>>> >>>>>>>Yes, but strictly speaking this would mean that a company selling program >>>XYZ >>>>wouldn't be allowed to write WCCC2004 winner on their software >package, >>as it >>>>was not the software but software+hardware which actually >won the >>tournament. >>>> >>>>>>>Sargon >>>>>> >>>>>>This is a nonsense of course. >>>>> >>>>>Let me rephrase it: when you play a tournament like WCCC, where the pair >>>HW/SW >>is tested and your particular HW/SW combination wins, then it's not >>>"correct" to >>silently skip the HW part and just claim your SW part won. >>>>> >>>>>I guess you still think it's nonsense. If so, you're welcome to be a bit >more >>>>specific and say _what exactly_ is nonsense about it. >>>>> >>>>>Sargon >>>> >>>>You really are overrating hardware. >>> >>> >>>This is uniquely true of DIEP. No matter if it runs on a 90 mhz machine or a >>>400cpu x 500mhz supercomputer, it plays consistently at the FM level -- a >feat >>of programming mastery unequaled in the annals of computer chess. >>> >>>However, it would be a mistake to assume other projects are as well >engineered. > >>Why not show up at world champs operating crafty? > > >Crafty does not need an operator. Crafty incorporates features of automation >which permit it to play entire tournaments without human intervention. Since >Omid says that internet access is available at the event, all you have to do is >connect to ICC with free software. Then you and the other participants will >have the chance play the winner of the latest Internet World Computer Chess >Championship. > >BTW, where was DIEP at the last IWCCC? I guess the programmer didn't think he >could win. At saturday i played a game for my team (www.schaakclubutrecht.nl). A fide rated game 40 in 2 + 20 in 1 + 30, but i'm sure you have not a f'ing idea what i talk about here, and at sunday i played for my belgium club Hoboken at 40 in 2 + 1 (also FIDE rated of course, all important leagues are FIDE rated). So i had no time for a small internet tournament where the level is not even serious. 45 10 at my dual k7 means after a few moves like 30 seconds a move. This at 2 x 2.127Ghz. Let's say that's 0.5 * 2 * 2127 Mhz = 2127 Mhz minute. At world champs 1999 the chessbase top played at 4x500Mhz at 3 minutes a move. So that's 6000Mhz minute. How can one take an internet tournament serious where the level+hardware is for sure slower than what was the standard in 1999? Also if there is commercial interests in a tournament at the internet, then curious things will happen. Additionally there is hardly programmers interesting enough to chat to at such CCT tournament. So it is good that i play real tournaments, and yes it doesn't matter whether world champs plays in USA or in Europe or in Asia or in middle east. In principle i will come and join. And no i would not have a problem with a world champs in UAE either nor USA. I would welcome it. I wonder though whether it political would be correct to organize something in USA nowadays. People like you should stop having a big mouth about ICGA organizers. It is true they ask money to organize an event and it is true that i am not a big fan of the amount of money they need to organize an event. However US organisations in the past needed a 10 fold budget to organize events there, so just do the math... In fact you can play a lot of FIDE rated events here with entry fees ranging from 40 euro to 125 euro. That's 9+ rounds or so. In USA a default participation in a tournament is like 250 dollars a person. Incredible prices. And you wonder why there is no computerchess tournaments organized in USA? That's because your big pal Hyatt tells at radio interviews that nothing ever will be able to equal deep blue. So no company of course is interested in USA to invest in computer chess world champs nowadays. Reporters conclude from hyatt's reports that chess is solved and write that down. Logical deduction nah? So what is the chance that a big sponsor stands up with guys like you and hyatt? I bet zero. So if you can't get travel costs like european professors can get them, then you will be doomed to play online. And sure is that i have plans to join cct7. >>Then you can see whether crafty is already at 'fm' level. In the mean time according to your own definition crafty is at novice level...
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