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Subject: Re: List of participants for WCCC

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:03:17 05/19/04

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On May 19, 2004 at 09:01:37, Omid David Tabibi wrote:

>On May 19, 2004 at 08:48:54, Matthew Hull wrote:
>
>>On May 19, 2004 at 03:38:52, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>
>>>On May 18, 2004 at 13:56:25, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 13:46:02, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I hope that makes it clear why _I_ have not said much about playing this year.
>>>>>>Who knows _what_ rule(s) the ICCA will use this time around.
>>>>>
>>>>>I know. And I have told you many times.
>>>>
>>>>That is _really_ convincing.  You guys don't even want to produce a list of who
>>>>is playing???
>>>
>>>Check the WCCC page today.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Last time I looked _you_ didn't speak for the ICCA any more than the organizers
>>>>of the WCCC I tried to enter a couple of years back spoke for it.
>>>
>>>I don't know when or where you looked, or what happened in Paris or Jakarta that
>>>you frequently mention. What I know is about WCCC 2004, and I am telling you in
>>>the clearest possible way what will be the case here.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>At the CCT we manage to have an _open_ discussion about the rules _before_ the
>>>>event, and then we go by those rules.  The ICCA might try that at some point in
>>>>time, perhaps???
>>>>
>>>>I'd love to play remotely.  Once it becomes obvious that doing so is "OK".
>>>
>>>We don't provide operators here. But if you send someone to operate Crafty on
>>>your behalf, that is OK.
>>
>>
>>Since you have internet access at the event, just log Crafty's opponents onto
>>ICC and play.  That will save the enourmous cost of sending a human to play
>>moves manually on a physical board.
>
>We would very much like to have Crafty here, but I don't think Crafty is more
>important than Shredder, Junior, Fritz, Diep, Deep Sjeng, ParSOS, IsiChess, etc,
>to deserve a special treatment.

I've never asked for "special treatment".  I have only asked for "the same
treatment".  I've already given in another response to you exactly how I was
_not_ treated the same as a commercial entry (the commercials paid a higher
entry fee so I presume that was the driving force to get them there no matter
what).

All I want is "clear and consistent" treatment.  3-4 years ago non-author
operators were ok (I entered 4 such events if I recall since 1996).  The next
year with no announcement, they were not.  After I gave up on attending, with
absolutely no public announcement, the ICCA then decided to let a commercial
program (I don't recall which one, Bruce will probably remember as I believe he
attended) use a non-author operator.

"fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."  I'm trying to avoid
getting fooled a second time...

>
>Bob repeats the "I don't know, you don't know" thing over and over. But I have
>all along said clearly how the tournament will be held here, and just repeated
>it. If he comes here, or sends someone on his behalf to operate Crafty, then
>Crafty will participate. Otherwise it won't.

See above.  The ICCA can (and has) changed the rules a week before the event.  I
doubt you can prevent that.


>
>
>>That is such a no-brainer.  But alas, there are no brains running this event.
>
>Thank you for your compliments. If instead of attacking us so much you have
>tried to organize next year's WCCC somewhere in the US, we might have all been
>enlightened by your brains and wisdom...



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