Author: Omid David Tabibi
Date: 09:19:05 05/19/04
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On May 19, 2004 at 11:56:37, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 19, 2004 at 03:38:52, Omid David Tabibi wrote: > >>On May 18, 2004 at 13:56:25, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 18, 2004 at 13:46:02, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>>I hope that makes it clear why _I_ have not said much about playing this year. >>>>>Who knows _what_ rule(s) the ICCA will use this time around. >>>> >>>>I know. And I have told you many times. >>> >>>That is _really_ convincing. You guys don't even want to produce a list of who >>>is playing??? >> >>Check the WCCC page today. >> >>> >>>Last time I looked _you_ didn't speak for the ICCA any more than the organizers >>>of the WCCC I tried to enter a couple of years back spoke for it. >> >>I don't know when or where you looked, or what happened in Paris or Jakarta that >>you frequently mention. What I know is about WCCC 2004, and I am telling you in >>the clearest possible way what will be the case here. > > >I'll run through this once more. Slowly. > >In Jakarta, there was _no_ outside communication. No game results. No nothing. > Dead silence. > >In Paris, same deal. No internet access. No nothing. I believe this was the >event where Thorsten was getting results out at his own expense via cell. > >Two of the first two WMCCC's I ever participated in. While at every ACM and >WCCC event past 1980 we had outside world access. > >Then For one of the more recent events, and no, now I don't even remember which >because I no longer care, I made arrangements to get a pretty good box (8-way >from Dell) and when they finally worked out the details for me, I tried to enter >and was told "We have a new rule that says that a programmer _must_ attend." >Bruce Moreland went to this event and can confirm all of this as he and I talked >about it multiple times. I then "undid" my machine arrangements, a bit >embarassing after having asked and having had some folks at Dell go out of the >way to help. Later Bruce tells me that a commercial entry could not get the >programmer there and the ICCA decided to drop the rule. > >Doesn't that do wonders for my wanting to participate _again_?? Doesn't that >make me take what you say on behalf of the ICCA at something less than true face >value, since the rules get changed on a whim??? > >That is my problem. Later they _again_ modified this rule so that it became >possible to have a non-programmer operator, but at double the normal entry fee. >What is _that_ about? This is an organization that wants to promote computer >chess or throttle it? Is it all about the money going in to the ICCA? Or is >it about the computer chess competition and interest in same? > >Looks _bad_ from my perspective. And when the last CCT had what appears to be >over 5x the entries of the current WCCC event, and there is no cost, and there >are no changing entry rules, and so forth, what is the incentive to go to a WCCC >rather than the next CCT event? > >Hopefully you get my drift. > >I don't believe _any_ of this has put the ICCA in a particularly favorable >light. I guess those of us that originally formed this organization can just >carry on feeling embarassed about how the tournaments have been handled the past >few years. The journal is a good thing. But the tournament (which was >originally the 'flagship' of the ICCA) has gone steadily downhill. > >How would _you_ react to such utter nonsense??? > It seems that indeed some points where unclear in some of the previous WCCCs. But again, I am only responsible for the current WCCC. And I am doing my best to clarify the things as much as possible. > > >> >> >>> >>>At the CCT we manage to have an _open_ discussion about the rules _before_ the >>>event, and then we go by those rules. The ICCA might try that at some point in >>>time, perhaps??? >>> >>>I'd love to play remotely. Once it becomes obvious that doing so is "OK". >> >>We don't provide operators here. But if you send someone to operate Crafty on >>your behalf, that is OK. > >I have a volunteer that would do well. I'll investigate hardware one more time. > But I can guarantee you that if the rules change this time, it will be my >absolute last time to try this... If you send an operator here, there will be no problem.
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