Author: Richard Pijl
Date: 10:22:12 05/19/04
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On May 19, 2004 at 12:46:54, Matthew Hull wrote: >On May 19, 2004 at 11:50:17, Richard Pijl wrote: > >>> >>> >>>All the other participants were programmed with the advanced idea of >automated >>play. The programmer's presence was not required. For instance, >crafty plays >>in the weekly Grand Prix qualifier completely unattended. >>> >>> >>>It's too bad DIEP was not programmed to play by itself. Then you could have >>>participated in both events through the wonders of technology. >>> >>> >>>Oh well. Perhaps those advanced features will grace the next version of >DIEP. >> >>> >> >>You do not seem to grasp the idea behind participating in a tournament. > > >I have participated in many tournaments, in person and online. Yes, in person >is better for human competition, though not as convenient as online. > > >For computers, these issues are irrelevant. They don't care. Their play is >not affected. The authors care. And they are the ones that join. >> >>It is not about playing games. >>It is not about winning prizes. >>It is not about pleasing spectators >> >>It is about meeting the other participants. >>It is about fair competition with minimized fraud possibilities. > > >Like throwing a drawn game to the eventual winner who wins by a half point, and >the operator admits it and nothing is done, and the real winner is deprived of >his trophy? >Yeah, I guess you're right. It's even easier when playing online. And guess what: Nobody will find out about it. Just resign a game and blame it's a bug of the program. And all the other options for cheating are a lot more easier when playing online. Cloning, operator intervention, changing settings, etc. > > >>(hitting the >>'move-now' button or changing engine setting mid-game is easy when you can't >>been seen by your opponent) >> >>I've participated in the last two CCT-tournaments. I also join in the >grand-prix >cycle on ICC. I think it is a nice way of organizing a tournament. >But chat >online is limited, and channel 64 is (during CCT) usually spammed by >nitwits. >I've also participated in 3 CSVN tournaments, 2 Dutch championships >and one >tournament in Paderborn, all requiring presence of the >author/operator. I also >visited (as a spectator) Maastricht 2002 twice, and >Paderborn 2003. I had to >skip Graz 2003 because of my daughters birthday that >was during the tournament. >If I have to chose between participating in an >on-site tournament and an on-line >tournament I'll choose the on-site >tournament if my funds are sufficient. > >I see. let's limit the competition to persons of financial means. Good idea. > > > >>There you'll have the possibility of really meet all the heroes of computer >>chess, > > >Like Bob Hyatt, Bruce Moreland, etc. > >Great. > > > >>drink a beer with them and have dinner with them. I don't see that >>happening in an online tournament. > > >I can appreciate how ejoyable it must be to dine with rich people who can >afford to attend. That's nice for you. But I don't see what that has to do >with a world championship which exists in a cheap and accessible medium, yet is >consigned to an exclusive, expensive format that stifles world participation. > > Consider an athletics event where the athletes perform in their local stadium and watch eachother on a video screen. There is no reason for them to travel as the current state of technology is able to do precision timing and a ranking could be made. Would that be a world championship? A worldchampionship in any sport requires travel. And yes, money is needed for that. Contenders for a title should have no problem finding the sponsors to cover for (part of) the costs. And amateurs, that don't even have to be the top, can get a contribution by the organization to make it easier for them to join. Note that I'm only defending the on-site aspect of the WCCC. I also think the event is too long, and would welcome a fair distribution of the event over locations to give everybody the opportunity to join an on-site event. I'm lucky to live in the Netherlands where it is relatively easy to attend 3 events every year. I wish that would be possible for more authors. Richard.
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