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Subject: Re: Hardware and WCCC limits?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:29:32 05/19/04

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On May 19, 2004 at 11:50:17, Richard Pijl wrote:

>>
>>
>>All the other participants were programmed with the advanced idea of automated
>>play.  The programmer's presence was not required.  For instance, crafty plays
>>in the weekly Grand Prix qualifier completely unattended.
>>
>>
>>It's too bad DIEP was not programmed to play by itself.  Then you could have
>>participated in both events through the wonders of technology.
>>
>>
>>Oh well.  Perhaps those advanced features will grace the next version of DIEP.
>>
>>
>
>You do not seem to grasp the idea behind participating in a tournament.
>
>It is not about playing games.
>It is not about winning prizes.
>It is not about pleasing spectators
>
>It is about meeting the other participants.

That is the idea behind a "conference".  It is possible to do a 2-3 day chess
conference, but play the actual games automatically either in parallel with the
conference or before/after...


>It is about fair competition with minimized fraud possibilities. (hitting the
>'move-now' button or changing engine setting mid-game is easy when you can't
>been seen by your opponent)

It is easy when you _can_ be seen.  It has happened many times in the past.

Oh yes.  It would be harder to resign a won or drawn position because you think
that is the "right result" if things are automated.  No operator time penalties
for slow vs fast typing.  No time funny-business.  No forgetting to hit the
chess clock.  No move input errors.  Etc...

>
>I've participated in the last two CCT-tournaments. I also join in the grand-prix
>cycle on ICC. I think it is a nice way of organizing a tournament. But chat
>online is limited, and channel 64 is (during CCT) usually spammed by nitwits.
>I've also participated in 3 CSVN tournaments, 2 Dutch championships and one
>tournament in Paderborn, all requiring presence of the author/operator. I also
>visited (as a spectator) Maastricht 2002 twice, and Paderborn 2003. I had to
>skip Graz 2003 because of my daughters birthday that was during the tournament.
>If I have to chose between participating in an on-site tournament and an on-line
>tournament I'll choose the on-site tournament if my funds are sufficient.

That is the point.  Suppose you discover it will cost $3000 US to attend.  Will
that change things?  It does for me...


>There you'll have the possibility of really meet all the heroes of computer
>chess, drink a beer with them and have dinner with them. I don't see that
>happening in an online tournament.

Looks like you won't see it happening much longer.  Last WCCC = 16.  This one
has 10 so far.  I can compute the slope of the linear function used to
approximate rate of change....


>
>Richard.



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