Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:08:44 05/19/04
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On May 19, 2004 at 17:18:11, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On May 19, 2004 at 17:07:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 19, 2004 at 16:02:53, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On May 19, 2004 at 15:55:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On May 19, 2004 at 14:31:41, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 13:29:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:14:12, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:07:45, Bryan Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:33:50, Richard Pijl wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:05:54, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Number 1 favourite is missing, why? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Jouni >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hydra is officially from the UAE. As I understood the sponsors do not allow >>>>>>>>>Hydra to participate in an event in Israel. >>>>>>>>>Richard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Someone please tell me that this is a rumor or missunderstanding. They banned a >>>>>>>>chess engine from participation due to the country of its creator? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Exactly the opposite. We (organizers) told the Hydra team that they are welcomed >>>>>>>to play in Israel under the UAE flag. But apparently their sponsors decided that >>>>>>>they don't want to play in Israel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Last time an engine was banned from participation due to the country of its >>>>>>>creator was in Jakarta WMCCC 1996. The Junior team was not allowed to play there >>>>>>>because Junior is an Israeli program. >>>>>> >>>>>>I was under the impression that was not exactly the truth, the whold truth and >>>>>>nothing but the truth. In fact, Junior was expected there. I received a phone >>>>>>call in the wee hours of the morning from Bruce Moreland, asking me to help him >>>>>>contact Amir since they had not shown up. >>>>>> >>>>>>I believe this was a case of "they didn't feel welcome and chose not to attend >>>>>>for that reason." IE I can't really fault someone for not wanting to fly a UAE >>>>>>flag in the middle of Israel either. >>>>>> >>>>>>So, IMHO it was more a matter of they didn't participate for many good reasons, >>>>>>but I don't think they were _prevented_ from participating... >>>>> >>>>>Based on what I have read and heard, it was made clear to them that they cannot >>>>>play under the Israeli flag in Jakarta. In other words, they were prevented from >>>>>participation. Of course Amir or Shay can correct me if I'm wrong. >>>> >>>>Probably was (a) a sane decision to not fly an Israeli flag there and (b) a >>>>reasonable decision for them not to attend if they could not. As I said, a bit >>>>of both... >>>> >>> >>>I quoted Shay Bushinsky in the following post: >>>http://talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?366082 >>> >>>Based on that, it was not a decision on behalf of the Junior team not to attend, >>>they were simply *banned* from participation. >>> >> >>reread what you posted. They were not "banned". >> >>Unless you redefine banned to mean something other than "not allowed". As I >>said, they could have participated, not representing Israel. > >"not representing Israel", in other words *banned* from playing as Israeli >representatives. What's hard to understand about that? Are you really that dense, or just acting so to prolong a discussion? "banned" means "not allowed to participate, _period_. It does not mean "not allowed to participate under flag XXX or anything else". It means "not allowed to participate." What is so hard to understand about using _proper_ definitions and terms? Yes they were _hindered_ from participating. Or they were even discouraged from participating. But they were not _banned_ from participating... > >The Hydra team was explicitly told that they are welcome to play under the UAE >flag. > >P.S. Of course I'm not criticizing the Hydra team, as they wanted to join. The >guys who prevented that were their UAE sponsors. Both decisions to not play are reasonable... > > >>I don't like that >>option and as I also said, I considered their not showing up as "a reasonable >>decision". >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I don't want >>>>>>>>to lead the discussion into a political debate here but if the above statement >>>>>>>>is true, this bigotry should not be condoned and further posting of this event >>>>>>>>should not be allowed here.
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