Author: Thomas Logan
Date: 04:45:17 05/20/04
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On May 19, 2004 at 19:07:36, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 19, 2004 at 18:39:49, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 19, 2004 at 18:18:36, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On May 19, 2004 at 18:08:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On May 19, 2004 at 17:18:11, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 17:07:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 16:02:53, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 15:55:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 14:31:41, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 13:29:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:14:12, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:07:45, Bryan Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:33:50, Richard Pijl wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:05:54, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Number 1 favourite is missing, why? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jouni >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hydra is officially from the UAE. As I understood the sponsors do not allow >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hydra to participate in an event in Israel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Richard. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Someone please tell me that this is a rumor or missunderstanding. They banned a >>>>>>>>>>>>chess engine from participation due to the country of its creator? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Exactly the opposite. We (organizers) told the Hydra team that they are welcomed >>>>>>>>>>>to play in Israel under the UAE flag. But apparently their sponsors decided that >>>>>>>>>>>they don't want to play in Israel. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Last time an engine was banned from participation due to the country of its >>>>>>>>>>>creator was in Jakarta WMCCC 1996. The Junior team was not allowed to play there >>>>>>>>>>>because Junior is an Israeli program. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I was under the impression that was not exactly the truth, the whold truth and >>>>>>>>>>nothing but the truth. In fact, Junior was expected there. I received a phone >>>>>>>>>>call in the wee hours of the morning from Bruce Moreland, asking me to help him >>>>>>>>>>contact Amir since they had not shown up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I believe this was a case of "they didn't feel welcome and chose not to attend >>>>>>>>>>for that reason." IE I can't really fault someone for not wanting to fly a UAE >>>>>>>>>>flag in the middle of Israel either. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>So, IMHO it was more a matter of they didn't participate for many good reasons, >>>>>>>>>>but I don't think they were _prevented_ from participating... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Based on what I have read and heard, it was made clear to them that they cannot >>>>>>>>>play under the Israeli flag in Jakarta. In other words, they were prevented from >>>>>>>>>participation. Of course Amir or Shay can correct me if I'm wrong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Probably was (a) a sane decision to not fly an Israeli flag there and (b) a >>>>>>>>reasonable decision for them not to attend if they could not. As I said, a bit >>>>>>>>of both... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I quoted Shay Bushinsky in the following post: >>>>>>>http://talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?366082 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Based on that, it was not a decision on behalf of the Junior team not to attend, >>>>>>>they were simply *banned* from participation. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>reread what you posted. They were not "banned". >>>>>> >>>>>>Unless you redefine banned to mean something other than "not allowed". As I >>>>>>said, they could have participated, not representing Israel. >>>>> >>>>>"not representing Israel", in other words *banned* from playing as Israeli >>>>>representatives. What's hard to understand about that? >>>> >>>>Are you really that dense, or just acting so to prolong a discussion? >>>> >>>>"banned" means "not allowed to participate, _period_. It does not mean "not >>>>allowed to participate under flag XXX or anything else". It means "not allowed >>>>to participate." >>> >>>Junior is an Israeli program, and both its authors are Israeli. Saying that it >>>is not allowed to play as an Israeli program is equal to saying it is not >>>allowed to play at all. >> >>Not really. IE if I play, I don't _really_ represent the USA in any official >>capacity. I just happen to live here. I could play without a US flag over my >>monitor if I wanted to... >> >>But, as I said, if it were a choice, I probably would _not_ play. But I would >>not say "I was banned"... > >I agree that you have a choice but I also agree with Omid. > >Omid says: > >"not allowed to play as an Israeli program is equal to saying it is not >allowed to play at all." > >It is not equal in the logical meaning but it is practically equal from the >point of what I feel about it. > >Uri I agree Uri Why should one have to hide what he is in order to play Neither Jakarta or UAE should have been selected as a playing site under such conditions Tom
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