Author: Thomas Logan
Date: 04:48:50 05/20/04
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On May 20, 2004 at 07:45:17, Thomas Logan wrote: >On May 19, 2004 at 19:07:36, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On May 19, 2004 at 18:39:49, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 19, 2004 at 18:18:36, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>> >>>>On May 19, 2004 at 18:08:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 17:18:11, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 17:07:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 16:02:53, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 15:55:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 14:31:41, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 13:29:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:14:12, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:07:45, Bryan Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:33:50, Richard Pijl wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:05:54, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Number 1 favourite is missing, why? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jouni >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hydra is officially from the UAE. As I understood the sponsors do not allow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hydra to participate in an event in Israel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Richard. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Someone please tell me that this is a rumor or missunderstanding. They banned a >>>>>>>>>>>>>chess engine from participation due to the country of its creator? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Exactly the opposite. We (organizers) told the Hydra team that they are welcomed >>>>>>>>>>>>to play in Israel under the UAE flag. But apparently their sponsors decided that >>>>>>>>>>>>they don't want to play in Israel. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Last time an engine was banned from participation due to the country of its >>>>>>>>>>>>creator was in Jakarta WMCCC 1996. The Junior team was not allowed to play there >>>>>>>>>>>>because Junior is an Israeli program. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I was under the impression that was not exactly the truth, the whold truth and >>>>>>>>>>>nothing but the truth. In fact, Junior was expected there. I received a phone >>>>>>>>>>>call in the wee hours of the morning from Bruce Moreland, asking me to help him >>>>>>>>>>>contact Amir since they had not shown up. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I believe this was a case of "they didn't feel welcome and chose not to attend >>>>>>>>>>>for that reason." IE I can't really fault someone for not wanting to fly a UAE >>>>>>>>>>>flag in the middle of Israel either. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>So, IMHO it was more a matter of they didn't participate for many good reasons, >>>>>>>>>>>but I don't think they were _prevented_ from participating... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Based on what I have read and heard, it was made clear to them that they cannot >>>>>>>>>>play under the Israeli flag in Jakarta. In other words, they were prevented from >>>>>>>>>>participation. Of course Amir or Shay can correct me if I'm wrong. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Probably was (a) a sane decision to not fly an Israeli flag there and (b) a >>>>>>>>>reasonable decision for them not to attend if they could not. As I said, a bit >>>>>>>>>of both... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I quoted Shay Bushinsky in the following post: >>>>>>>>http://talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?366082 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Based on that, it was not a decision on behalf of the Junior team not to attend, >>>>>>>>they were simply *banned* from participation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>reread what you posted. They were not "banned". >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Unless you redefine banned to mean something other than "not allowed". As I >>>>>>>said, they could have participated, not representing Israel. >>>>>> >>>>>>"not representing Israel", in other words *banned* from playing as Israeli >>>>>>representatives. What's hard to understand about that? >>>>> >>>>>Are you really that dense, or just acting so to prolong a discussion? >>>>> >>>>>"banned" means "not allowed to participate, _period_. It does not mean "not >>>>>allowed to participate under flag XXX or anything else". It means "not allowed >>>>>to participate." >>>> >>>>Junior is an Israeli program, and both its authors are Israeli. Saying that it >>>>is not allowed to play as an Israeli program is equal to saying it is not >>>>allowed to play at all. >>> >>>Not really. IE if I play, I don't _really_ represent the USA in any official >>>capacity. I just happen to live here. I could play without a US flag over my >>>monitor if I wanted to... >>> >>>But, as I said, if it were a choice, I probably would _not_ play. But I would >>>not say "I was banned"... >> >>I agree that you have a choice but I also agree with Omid. >> >>Omid says: >> >>"not allowed to play as an Israeli program is equal to saying it is not >>allowed to play at all." >> >>It is not equal in the logical meaning but it is practically equal from the >>point of what I feel about it. >> >>Uri > >I agree Uri > >Why should one have to hide what he is in order to play > >Neither Jakarta or UAE should have been selected as a playing site > >under such conditions > >Tom Er that should have read Jakarta should have been selected as a playing site >
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