Author: Tom Likens
Date: 04:35:13 05/22/04
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On May 22, 2004 at 00:30:02, Alex wrote: >On May 21, 2004 at 16:25:41, Tom Likens wrote: > >>On May 21, 2004 at 15:18:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 21, 2004 at 15:02:32, Tom Likens wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Djinn just had one of those "interesting" encounters on ICC that >>>>occasionally happen. It lost to a 1600 player at a TC of "10 3". >>>>Always, interesting and maybe something more. The next game >>>>with the same player was a draw and the final game initially >>>>was going against Djinn but it eventually turned the tide in a >>>>2-Rook vs. Queen, opposite side castling free-for-all and >>>>cashed in the full point. After this the 1600 player decided to >>>>move on to greener pastures. >>>> >>>>Now I'm not accusing anyone of anything (anyone can have >>>>a great day), but if it's something more (nefarious), well, what really >>>>bothers me about these "encounters" is that I never get to find >>>>out which version of Crafty, Yace, Shredder, Hiarcs, Fritz, >>>>Chess Tiger etc. etc. Djinn actually lost to, drew and then >>>>finally beat. ;-) >>>> >>>>How the heck is a poor engine author going to track their >>>>creation's progress?!! >>>> >>>>cheers, >>>>--tom >>> >>> >>>this is a problem that will never go away. It is more common at the 1600 level >>>than at the 2500 level, thankfully... >> >>Well, I guess I'm making some progress. In the old days Djinn >>would have lost 10 games in a row and been completely routed. >>So a loss, a draw and a win is good news. It would be nice to >>be taken off the "easy" prey list eventually. >> >>--tom >Bah!!!!!!!!! I play a very anti computer like style of chess and I only play >good chess when I get really ticked off! These days it is hard for me to get >motivated to play chess well --getting old so the motivation to win isn't there >as much as it used to be --I mean what's the point even if I win--big deal-- I >beat top programs before.........my rating usually hvers at 1900 but actully >when on my game its about 2350 in blitz as evidenced by achieving that rating on >more than one server. I get REALLY sick of people (and programmers) that want >to blame "Nefarious" causes when they loose......... SHEEEEEEEEESSSHHHHHHHHHHHH >! take it like a man will ya!? Alex Then you're the exception, not the rule. Sure, it's possible for a 1600 player to put three (or even more) 2500+ games together, but it's *not* probable (especially at blitz). And when it happens it *will* get looked at, since it is an abberation. And if the style of play is not anti-computer but more Shirov-like then the scrutiny will become tighter, since this is even more suspicious. Here's the bottom line, I've had people cheat against the program on more than one occasion- hoping to pick up easy rating points (the usual scam is to play the exact same game over and over) so I've gotten suspious in *my* old age. When people quit cheating, then I'll quit being suspicious. As for your advice, I'll take it under consideration. To return the favor, my advice to you is to try decaf. --tom
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