Author: Lanny DiBartolomeo
Date: 12:27:03 12/18/98
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On December 18, 1998 at 03:21:48, Komputer Korner wrote:
>On December 17, 1998 at 11:16:06, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote:
>
>>On December 17, 1998 at 03:50:20, Komputer Korner wrote:
>>
>>>On December 17, 1998 at 02:05:47, Richard A. Fowell (fowell@netcom.com) wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>But not being able to view the engine's score & analysis while moving back and
>>>>>forth in a game is a serious flaw. As a tournament chess player, this is the
>>>>>*only* feature I care about (other than engine strength) when analyzing my
>>>>>games...
>>>>>
>>>>>--Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What about:
>>>>
>>>>(1) The ability to have your tournament games analyzed overnight.
>>>>(2) The ability to search for strong alternatives ("Next Best") in positions.
>>>>(3) The ability to save the "engine's score & analysis while moving back
>>>> and forth in a game" in some permanent form (save to disk, or printer).
>>>> It seems several programs don't offer this feature - if the information
>>>> is worth seeing, I would think it would be worth saving.
>>>>
>>>>Richard A. Fowell
>>>
>>>
>>>All are nice features. No. 1 and 2 are provided by almost every top program but
>>>No. 2 and No. 3 are not available in CM6000. Only programs like Crafty and
>>>Shredder have the 3rd feature. However, because CM6000 lacks the ability to
>>>show engine analysis when taking back moves and moving forward in player player
>>>mode (which is the single most important computer chess feature for serious
>>>tournament chess players) that is the reason I called it a toy. Opening book
>>>editors are not important for some but the one it has is a joke.
>>>--
>>>Komputer Korner
>>
>>Interesting, What do you consider a serious tournament chess players?
>>I think people study in different ways, I after playing a game will have it
>>looked over by cm6000 and then will look at its score for each move and see
>>where it thinks I could have done better I do this for a number of games and
>>look for patterns of mistakes (like if I get into trouble when Knights are
>>hovering ) If this weakness shows up in a few games then I work this out.
>>other features (rate my play) a nice way for chess improvement at ALL LEVELS
>>tornament playing and using the customised engines to simulate the problem
>>player you need to work against an example you have trouble with an attacking
>>player then you can play against one like Tal or use tal settings and change
>>them up a little till its how you like and so on.There is more than enough
>>here.Also I really think that too many people are waisting there time with all
>>this booking up, the concentration should be in middle game puzzles tactical and
>>positional. How do you think these programs are this strong from book? it helps
>>but it wont save your life!There as strong as they are mainly because of
>>Tactical Abilities.So you can keep your opening book editor and your back and
>>forth move analyser (if this gets added in Fantastic!)but if not there is more
>>than enough to get extremely strong with! If I need back and forth analyser at
>>some point because I cant figure it out on my own, then good ol fritz5 to the
>>rescue a tool I do use also. Yes I do study openings but is not a major concern
>>for me, when I hit IM it will be or if i feel it is hendering my improvement,but
>>I end up in pretty comfortable positions so I doubt that.
>
>You aren't studing chess properly and you are too lazy to do it. Your number one
>activity should be back and forth analysis of your games. Your statement "if you
>need to do it" shows that you aren't really serious about improving your game.
>--
>Komputer Korner
one other point I would like to make there was no such thing as back and forth
analysis of a position not too long ago the only thing you could do is figure
it out on your own and Like myself and friends do after we play I do go over my
games as I stated and search for patterns flaws in my games I look for
weaknesses in the endings and I lso play my games at 40/2hrs 1 if lucky 2 a day
and in the opening if I went wrong there I learn from it not by the move per say
but by the way I thought of the move I A.over looked a tactic B.didnt value
enough on center control so on and so on once I feel I have totally gotten where
I want to then I will start booking up and again sooner if I feelnot doing it is
hindering my improvement in some way.
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