Author: Komputer Korner
Date: 13:43:19 12/18/98
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On December 18, 1998 at 15:27:03, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote:
>On December 18, 1998 at 03:21:48, Komputer Korner wrote:
>
>>On December 17, 1998 at 11:16:06, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote:
>>
>>>On December 17, 1998 at 03:50:20, Komputer Korner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 17, 1998 at 02:05:47, Richard A. Fowell (fowell@netcom.com) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>But not being able to view the engine's score & analysis while moving back and
>>>>>>forth in a game is a serious flaw. As a tournament chess player, this is the
>>>>>>*only* feature I care about (other than engine strength) when analyzing my
>>>>>>games...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What about:
>>>>>
>>>>>(1) The ability to have your tournament games analyzed overnight.
>>>>>(2) The ability to search for strong alternatives ("Next Best") in positions.
>>>>>(3) The ability to save the "engine's score & analysis while moving back
>>>>> and forth in a game" in some permanent form (save to disk, or printer).
>>>>> It seems several programs don't offer this feature - if the information
>>>>> is worth seeing, I would think it would be worth saving.
>>>>>
>>>>>Richard A. Fowell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>All are nice features. No. 1 and 2 are provided by almost every top program but
>>>>No. 2 and No. 3 are not available in CM6000. Only programs like Crafty and
>>>>Shredder have the 3rd feature. However, because CM6000 lacks the ability to
>>>>show engine analysis when taking back moves and moving forward in player player
>>>>mode (which is the single most important computer chess feature for serious
>>>>tournament chess players) that is the reason I called it a toy. Opening book
>>>>editors are not important for some but the one it has is a joke.
>>>>--
>>>>Komputer Korner
>>>
>>>Interesting, What do you consider a serious tournament chess players?
>>>I think people study in different ways, I after playing a game will have it
>>>looked over by cm6000 and then will look at its score for each move and see
>>>where it thinks I could have done better I do this for a number of games and
>>>look for patterns of mistakes (like if I get into trouble when Knights are
>>>hovering ) If this weakness shows up in a few games then I work this out.
>>>other features (rate my play) a nice way for chess improvement at ALL LEVELS
>>>tornament playing and using the customised engines to simulate the problem
>>>player you need to work against an example you have trouble with an attacking
>>>player then you can play against one like Tal or use tal settings and change
>>>them up a little till its how you like and so on.There is more than enough
>>>here.Also I really think that too many people are waisting there time with all
>>>this booking up, the concentration should be in middle game puzzles tactical and
>>>positional. How do you think these programs are this strong from book? it helps
>>>but it wont save your life!There as strong as they are mainly because of
>>>Tactical Abilities.So you can keep your opening book editor and your back and
>>>forth move analyser (if this gets added in Fantastic!)but if not there is more
>>>than enough to get extremely strong with! If I need back and forth analyser at
>>>some point because I cant figure it out on my own, then good ol fritz5 to the
>>>rescue a tool I do use also. Yes I do study openings but is not a major concern
>>>for me, when I hit IM it will be or if i feel it is hendering my improvement,but
>>>I end up in pretty comfortable positions so I doubt that.
>>
>>You aren't studing chess properly and you are too lazy to do it. Your number one
>>activity should be back and forth analysis of your games. Your statement "if you
>>need to do it" shows that you aren't really serious about improving your game.
>>--
>>Komputer Korner
>
>one other point I would like to make there was no such thing as back and forth
>analysis of a position not too long ago the only thing you could do is figure
>it out on your own and Like myself and friends do after we play I do go over my
>games as I stated and search for patterns flaws in my games I look for
>weaknesses in the endings and I lso play my games at 40/2hrs 1 if lucky 2 a day
>and in the opening if I went wrong there I learn from it not by the move per say
>but by the way I thought of the move I A.over looked a tactic B.didnt value
>enough on center control so on and so on once I feel I have totally gotten where
>I want to then I will start booking up and again sooner if I feelnot doing it is
>hindering my improvement in some way.
That is exactly the point. You are stuck in the stone age of analyzing if you
don't use a computer to do this. However if you really think about it it has
always existed. Serious players have always gone over their games by back and
forwards analysis. It just took a lot longer and they missed things without
computers to help them. That is why even Kasparov does this with the help of
computers. Of course he doesn't miss any positional moves but he misses an
occaisional tactical shot that the computer may find. For us peons we miss
everything so that is why now for the first time in history we each have the
chance to improve our game with a "teacher" sitting over our shoulder. Of course
explanations would be even better but there is still no substitute for a human
teacher as of yet. My point is use computer chess programs to their fullest.
--
Komputer Korner
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