Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 22:33:56 05/23/04
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On May 23, 2004 at 20:13:55, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On May 23, 2004 at 08:23:04, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On May 23, 2004 at 07:58:44, Frank Phillips wrote: >> >>>On May 23, 2004 at 05:03:35, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>> >>>>On May 23, 2004 at 03:44:58, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 23, 2004 at 03:25:11, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 23, 2004 at 01:52:24, Derek Paquette wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 22, 2004 at 23:11:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 22, 2004 at 22:33:58, Derek Paquette wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hi, i just took a look at the WCCC2004 page and to my surprise Crafty is not in >>>>>>>>>it, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>is the page just not being updated properly? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If it is just slow and delayed I have a few questions for Bob, >>>>>>>>>what Crafty version is going to be used and on what hardware? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Most recent version, always. Hardware is unknown. I am trying for a 4-way or >>>>>>>>8-way 2.4ghz opteron as a worst-case, maybe something even better. But it is >>>>>>>>late to really look for good hardware. Whether it will work out or not is >>>>>>>>unknown... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In some previous posts you were talking about 'perhaps' increasing Crafty's >>>>>>>>>strength and you might be making leaps and bounds with its performance (your >>>>>>>>>also waiting for a new box to come in i 'believe') >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Yes... we are going to work on a cluster-crafty this summer. Got a Ph.D. >>>>>>>>student interested so we are going to jump in starting in June... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I use crafty 19.12 on chessanytime.com and it kicks a lot of ass, >>>>>>>>>just wondering what the author is doing with WCCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I'm trying to get it set up. It is "iffy"... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Assuming all goes the way you want, and you get the hardware you want for the >>>>>>>WCCC2004, how do you feel that you fair against the competition, now i know you >>>>>>>aren't sure if or which type of hardware box/cluster you are getting, but >>>>>>>assuming you get something juicy, how do you feel crafty 19.13 fairs with that >>>>>>>hardware. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I believe that Crafty 19.13 has the same chances as any of the top 4 program >>>>>>from the SSDF, it is a matter of LUCK in such a short tourney :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>Jorge >>>>> >>>>>Well, luck is important in short tournaments, but not the only thing...explain >>>>>why from 1996 only Junior and Shredder won WCCC tournaments and not other chess >>>>>programs. >>>>> >>>>>There is a reason for everything... >>>>> >>>>>Sandro >>>> >>>> >>>>You must also respect the final decisions of the TD Jaap vd H who can always >>>>change the chess rules at will. This and also opponents who throw a drawn game. >>>>So yes, that makes it understandable why certain things do happen... >>> >>> >>>Yes, it is extremely important not to let program bugs get in the way of the >>>correct result ;-) >>> >>>Frank >> >>What I like in this forum is that several people have a great fantasy; they >>always come out with something new!:-)) >> >>I mean they are not repetitive at all!:-)) >> >>Most importantly the deeply analyze things and give detailed explanations! >> >>Wow! > > > > Rolf, >Sandro, >you are a great expert; you make a good book, but why don't you feel at least a >little bit ashamed that SHREDDER got half a point only because its opponent gave >up a dead drawn game??? I am a chess player even if I do not play anymore since several years and my way to think/judge things is from there. As a chess player I leave to who has the right to claim a draw and if it does not I accept his decision as well as the referee decision. Believe it or not this is a respect form to my opponent and to the organization. He is free to decide what he likes and I MUST respect him and his decision. Yes, we were lucky he did chose to continuo the game which was won by us previously. I said in his plays I would have done the same. This is the way the very great majority of strong chess players think and would act. We call it sportive and respectful way. In the computer chess world this may do not fit because many programmers do not have the same thinking attitude. I respect this also, but I do not agree. This is what I think and believe. No matter what you may say I will not change this thinking attitude/way. >Are you, as an expert, really happy with such unsportive >and unfair actions? For a chess player it is not so. >From a programmer of a 7 times winner I would expect that he >would refuse to accept such presents. Well, I think no one would have done what you say...I do believe that. We accepted our opponent decision...that's all. >Would that have been really a disaster? No. You miss the point...it is a thinking attitude. I mean there are chess rules which we follows. What is within the rules is fine for us. Kasparov would have done the same. Do not forget we only got the possibility for the play-off and not the title...Fritz won the tournament game and had a more powerful hardware, so most people would expect Fritz to win. This is why I said we were lucky...to get the play-off! >Now the 8th title has the haut gout of a cheat. Sandro, I know that you know >this. Why don't you tell this SMK instead of criticising those who say just the truth??? It is not a matter of truth...it is a different way to see what to do in these cases... Shall I blame myself because I ALWAYS accept our opponents decisions and the referee decisions? I do not think so. Why to continuo this which is past? Why not to think about the future? >> >>Sandro Sandro
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