Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 10:29:21 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 13:20:54, Slater Wold wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 13:19:36, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote: >>> >>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote: >>>> >>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer. It has won >>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in almost 3,000 >>>>>games! >>>>> >>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the >>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, and will >>>>>try to set this up. >>>>> >>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron 2.2Ghz >>>>>(32-bit) >>>>> >>>>>10 game match. 120/0. >>>>> >>>>>Opinions? >>>> >>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against >>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest SSDF. >>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those engines on >>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty 10x experiment >>>>for example). >>> >>>OoO please... >>> >>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a hardware >>>>_disadvantage_? >>>> >>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a freakin' >>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow... >>> >>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one. How small? >>> >>>Crafty on a 2.2Ghz Opteron in 32-bit gets about 1.5M NPS. With a 1.89 speedup, >>>we get 2.8M nps. My FX53 (64-bit) will do 2.6M. It's at a 8% HW disadvantage. >>> >>>8% means nothing in a 120/0 game. >> >> >>I don't really think that Shredder vs Crafty would cause too many divergent >>opinions re OoO... I'd rather suggest you invited another engine for a match: >>Diep. That would probably be closely followed by about one half of this forum >>and the final result would reverberate loudly in the months to come :-). > >Vincent isn't going to let anyone run a current version of Diep against Crafty. >We all know that... DIEP played two standard games against crafty yesterday on ICC with Vincent himself presiding (and pontificating). DIEP lost them both.
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